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CAL
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 Posted - June 11 2007 : 10:41:33 PM
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I decided to give myself an early Father's Day gift and went to the local Golfsmith to get fitted for a new set of irons. This is the first time that I ever got fitted, I had always used standard loft, lie and length. The fitting revealed that I needed the lie adjusted 4 degrees upright. The questions is, do most SimpleSwingers require upright lies because of the way we setup and grip the club or am I just a freak? Should I expect a more upright lie with SS or am I doing something wrong? I seem to remember Natural Golf promoted upright clubs. When I use a conventional grip, a standard lie works just fine. It seemed to make sense that gripping in the palm instead of the fingers would result in a more upright lie. By the way, I got my new clubs (Cobra S9)on Saturday and took them to the range and hit them extremely well. In 30 years of golf, I have never hit further than I am right now.
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simpleswing
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Posted - June 12 2007 : 8:27:21 PM
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Hi CAL,
Symple Swing does NOT require upright clubs.
Not only does Symple Swing not require upright clubs I don't believe any other swing requires upright clubs. Years ago, when I briefly was a Natural Golf certified I asked every body I could find at Natural Golf headquarters for a specific reason why upright clubs were necessary and I never got a straight answer from anyone!!
Take a look at the impact position of Symple Swing, Natural Golf and the conventional swing. The impact positions are all essentially identical. The address position with the hands high or low really aren't relevant. It's all about the impact position. It's the lie angle at impact that is the critical factor here. For each of these swings the lead arm is extended and in line with the shaft of the club. If the impact position is the same for all these swings then the same club lie (i.e, normal) is the correct lie angle for all of the swings.
Joe Davidson
Simple Golf
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gsw
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Posted - June 12 2007 : 11:14:43 PM
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Why then did Cal play better with his new upright clubs? Is he standing too close to the ball? |
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simpleswing
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Posted - June 14 2007 : 03:06:57 AM
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Hi GSW,
I assume CAL was fitted correctly and he just happen to have a slightly upright posture. My guess is that he's a little taller than average rather than a little shorter.
When you are correctly fit for clubs then at impact the sole of the club will strike the ball with the sole of the club relatively level with neither the heel or the toe up in the air and in addition the club shaft will point correctly up the arm towards the armpit.
It's easy to do a quick check to see if your clubs are the correct lie for you. Get some practice balls (plastic) and some masking tape. Put a strip of masking tape on the bottom of an iron. Then hit some practice balls off of the piece of plywood. The scuff marks that appear on the tape should be roughly in the middle of the sole of the club. If the scuff marks are closer to the heel of the club your lie angle may be too flat. If the scuff marks are near the toe your lie angle may be too upright.
Either way if the scuff marks aren't relatively near the center (in the center third) then you should probably get that checked out. Before you check out your clubs, you should first check your address position for correct posture.
BTW, we're always happy to review a video of anyone's swing. Many of the problems that people have start with their posture at address. Often, as soon as they correct their posture their swing problems go away.
Joe Davidson
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thinkin2
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Posted - June 26 2007 : 09:08:56 AM
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When I was fit for my Ping G2's I was using a single axis swing. I was fit to a maroon dot (5 deg upright) and a half inch longer than standard. I'm only 5-10 but have a very upright stance. Whether I make a swing with single axis (SS or any other) or a conventional swing, these clubs still fit me and mark in the center every time. Hope this helps some. 
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simpleswing
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Posted - June 26 2007 : 2:18:29 PM
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Hi Thinkin2,
I agree with your findings. I find a person's posture and height to be the main factors in the length and lie of the clubs someone needs. I doubt a person needs a different length or a different lie with their clubs depending on their type of swing. At least so far no one has ever been able to show me a reason why that would be necessary.
On the other side of the coin I think that creating the impression that a particular golf swing required "different clubs" was a brilliant marketing move if your main goal was to sell unnecessary sets of clubs to those struggling in their quest for a better golf game. Sometimes I almost wish Symple Swing "required" special clubs (or that I didn't have a conscience). :-)
Joe Davidson
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thinkin2
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Posted - June 26 2007 : 5:29:31 PM
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Originally posted by simpleswing
Hi Thinkin2,
I agree with your findings. I find a person's posture and height to be the main factors in the length and lie of the clubs someone needs. I doubt a person needs a different length or a different lie with their clubs depending on their type of swing. At least so far no one has ever been able to show me a reason why that would be necessary.
On the other side of the coin I think that creating the impression that a particular golf swing required "different clubs" was a brilliant marketing move if your main goal was to sell unnecessary sets of clubs to those struggling in their quest for a better golf game. Sometimes I almost wish Symple Swing "required" special clubs (or that I didn't have a conscience). :-)
Joe Davidson
Simple Golf
I hear that loud and clear. All anyone has to do is look at photos of any tour player at setup (hands lower) and at impact (hands higher). So what are their lie angles based on? Simple really. Impact. Where the tape marks at impact will determine the needed lie angle for any type of swing and any type of body. That's why it's so important to have this checked while swinging a club and not based just on a persons physical characteristics.
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