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 Symple Turn - over active hips
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jownz


United Kingdom
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Posted - September 25 2009 :  1:32:04 PM  Show Profile Send jownz a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi Joe

After our discusion I was lucky enough to get a round in today. Took some more video. (had a little traffic on the course so didnt shoot any video till the 14th)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sAChdlGH14

5 vids, I like to use my 24* hybrid alot off the Tee - 190 to 205ish depending on rollout.

Half a bucket on the range then played. Way to many thoughts going through my head, and there were a few wild ones early on.

Did strike the ball well today, but leadind the DS with the hip coming back to the ball was not quite coming off. My hips did seem to be very open at impact.

Your advice will be most welcome.

J

bkroon



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Posted - September 26 2009 :  10:35:18 AM  Show Profile  Visit bkroon's Homepage Send bkroon a Private Message  Reply with Quote

Read an article in Golf Magazine recently about Arnold Palmer at 80 years old. Great article....Palmer gave many tips for golfers.

When asked what swing thought he had in his head on the tee, Palmer replied, " Only one, hit the ball."

I know I think too much.

Rob in sunny Phoenix 65 degrees this a.m.
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simpleswing



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Posted - September 28 2009 :  4:36:20 PM  Show Profile  Visit simpleswing's Homepage Send simpleswing a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi jownz,

What I'd recommend is practicing the Symple Turn with the front leg "locked", meaning the knee locked back all the way.

That front leg locked position is NOT what we want when playing but it's great for practicing because it really restricts the front hip motion so you pretty much have to do things right.

Try some practice swings with the front leg "locked". You can even hit a few balls with the front leg locked. After you do that you should have a good feel for the correct motion of the hips.

Joe Davidson
Simple Golf
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Goldchip



United Kingdom
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Posted - October 04 2009 :  03:56:28 AM  Show Profile Send Goldchip a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi Jownz
Really enjoyed your vids - what camera do you use to get such slow mo or is that how you swing - wish I could swing slow.
Just been watching the Dunhill links from Scotland. Watching an amateur guy from the Dominican Republic - not exactly a golfing super nation, playing off 4, been playing for 4 years self taught by reading Tigers books. Drives the ball around 270yds - OK not so remarkable - but he's only got one leg!! - lost his left leg in a motor accident.
Plays without artificial limb - his caddy gives him his crutches.
Just watching him drive - really goes at it, almost spins himself around - no weight shift, no hip turn - just a wonderful shoulder turn.
worth watching - certainly makes you think how lucky we are just to walk the course on 2 legs
I have tried playing off one leg on the range just putting the other one resting on tip toe behind me - can really hit good shots like this.
I have found this isolates where the problems are coming from e.g active right hand etc.
looking forward to more vids

Goldchip
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jownz



United Kingdom
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Posted - October 13 2009 :  11:54:34 AM  Show Profile Send jownz a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi all

I've had a couple of interesting weeks, played well then terrible.

Played today and went with the T-lock stance. It helped a lot, very tough at the moment as I still cant get the hips thing nailed down.

The camera is Casio FC100 see my other post, and Dorro I'm in Norwich - any UK Symple Swingers near are welcome to join me for a round.

Joe I've put 3 more vids from today onto youtube and welcome your comments.

Which camera angle is the best or are multiple angles better?

J
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simpleswing



951 Posts

Posted - October 13 2009 :  4:01:53 PM  Show Profile  Visit simpleswing's Homepage Send simpleswing a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi jownz

Just so others can see the videos on Youtube they can use this link:
http://www.youtube.com/user/123jownz#p/a/u/2/2-AhkPk0YPs
BTW, on YouTube the best way to view the videos is to let the video play once at least until the whole video loads (full red line). Then stop the video as it's playing and drag the slider below the video back and forth and you can do your own stop action viewing.

You're doing a lot of things right in your swing so I'm a little surprised you had a "terrible" round. BTW, saying you played terribly doesn't give me much info to help with a diagnosis. Tell me a little more about what happened on your bad shots and fixing the problem will be a lot easier.

Since the T-Lock stance helped I'm assuming you're correct and the problem is with the lower body.

The one thing I'm seeing with the lower body is the width of the stance. It looks like it's too wide and preventing you from fully hitting into your front leg. The wide stance does feel powerful but when you use a really wide stance you have to work really hard to fully hit into the front leg because the wide stance makes if very easy to leave too much weight on the back leg so you then start pivoting around the back hip (front hips opening fast and wide) causing a pull or pull hook. (Was that the problem you were having?)
Confession: I'm sometimes guilty of too wide a stance when I'm trying to kill the ball but I work very hard to get off the back foot into the front leg.


Notice how you're pretty much flat footed with the back leg. I'd expect to see you well up on your back toe at this point.

One way to check the width of your stance is to pay close attention to the amount of weight on your back foot. If you have the correct width you will feel a split second about a foot past impact where all the weight is being thrown into the front leg and you'll feel almost no weight on the back leg. If you're really quick you might almost lift the back foot off the ground for just a split second. (that's hard to do).

Practice swinging with a weighted club or swinging two clubs and that feeling of all the weight being thrown against the front leg should become more evident.

Joe Davidson
Simple Golf



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jownz



United Kingdom
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Posted - October 18 2009 :  09:14:26 AM  Show Profile Send jownz a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Thanks Joe, my terrible shots were topped pulls (3 and these may have been testosterone based), but hit a few pushed and fat shots too.

This was in my opinion mainly a timing issue where I just wasn't getting any rhythm together and my ball-striking was off.

Will make the stance narrower and report the results.

youtube vid stopped working so try this one:

http://www.youtube.com/user/123jownz#p/a/u/2/k3SYSkXd7g4

J

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simpleswing



951 Posts

Posted - October 19 2009 :  3:02:01 PM  Show Profile  Visit simpleswing's Homepage Send simpleswing a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi jownz,

Notice in your video how your front knee is bent. You keep it bent until just before impact when you suddenly straighten that front knee.

Straightening the knee at impact pushes the front hip back away from the ball opening the hips. That will definitely give you a tendency to pull the ball. Try some practice swings keeping your front leg locked straight. (Note: normally we don't want to lock that front leg but it's a good way to practice to learn the feeling of keeping the leg straight). When you keep that front leg straight that pulling problem will go away. You can even hit some practice shots keeping that front leg locked straight. Finally hit some shots with the front leg straight (not locked) but just concentrate on NOT changing the bend of your front leg during the swing.

Right now you have to "time the straightening of the front leg" exactly right. If you time it right and it doesn't straighten until impact or just after then you are fine. If you straighten it before impact then you pull everything. You're adding and extra variable (the bending and straightening of your knee) into your swing. You don't need that variable in your swing and it's what is causing you the trouble.

Joe Davidson
Simple Golf
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