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pat72
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 Posted - September 01 2009 : 9:31:02 PM
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Gentlemen,
after a little more than a year with SPS I want to summarize what happenend till now:
Last year I had a very frustrating round in my Hilton Head vacation. I shoot a 117 with CG. After no decent ball contact and some sliceing I had the following stats for this round:
Score 117, FWH 11, GIR 0, Short game shots 22 (inside 50 yards), Putts 40.
I decided that I had to change something in my swing to get to my goal to break 100. I turned to SPS and since then I am trying to get the concept and the swing feeling. I had my up and downs but I kept on going.
Last week I was at Hilton Head again. Some course, similar conditions, some tees. For me it was a test how my test has developed. This are the results:
Score 116, FWH 5, GIR 0, Short game shots 23 (inside 50 yards), Putts 30.
I improved 1 stroke!!!
This is the overall development for my game in the last year:
I lost about 10 - 15 yards per club. I got new, better clubs (not my old clone ones) and I told myself that I had to adjust to them. But the distance loss is still there.
My short game has stayed pretty much the same. It doesn't matter if I use SPS or CG the results are the same.
Only my putting has improved dramatically. But overall it doesn't help me because I lose the strokes now more in the fairway with SPS.
I don't see any improvements in my swing. I am reading this forum regularly. I sent my swing video to Joe. I tried the tips and drills here. The only thing I haven't done are lessons (swing clinics were canceled).
For me SPS is not working. I am frustrated with my swing. I also can not see why the swing should be easier now. I digged a little into the physics of the golf swing ( I love the differential equations behind it) and I can't find any prove that SPS is a superior swing.
I am not sure if I should give SPS one more try (perhaps a clinic) or should go back to a more conventional golf swing. In my opinion the release there is so much easlier to learn for somebody who has a little eye-hand coordination.
Your thoughts are appreciated.
Pat72
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jclenden
USA
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Posted - September 01 2009 : 9:59:59 PM
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Pat72,
I'm sorry to hear of your struggles. I obviously don't have the wisdom to comment on why you are struggling. What I can say is that it took me slightly over a year to get it "down" without the aid of instruction. Without an instructor and without video feedback, I didn't realize that I was off-plane and that my right hand was so active. I also didn't realize that I was over swinging on the backswing, and it took me a while to really understand what a core-powered swing felt like.
I can say, however, that I have made huge statistical improvements in my game. The reason SS has been easier for me to learn than CG is that there are fewer parts to coordinate, and fewer = simpler to maintain. I played CG for about 35 years. 2 years of SS has far exceeded every accomplishment I had in 35 years of CG.
SS doesn't feel as "natural" to me as CG, but that's partly because I played baseball and golf in my formative years, and wrist rotation became as natural as walking. It's been very hard to reprogram my wrists and hands. But for me, it has been 100% worth it. I could never go back.
I hope you persist, and I hope that you can get at least 1 personal lesson since the forum and videos aren't helping enough.
Good luck,
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simpleswing
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Posted - September 02 2009 : 3:22:01 PM
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Hi pat72,
Let's start working "one on one" and solve your power problem.
I just found and reviewed your April video and my e-mail response to you at that time.
These are some of the things I said in that e-mail.
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What I do see first is #1. Not enough core (shoulders, chest & abdomen) turn and #2 your arms quite stiff in your swing rather than loose like they should be. Both of those factors severely limit your ability to generate clubhead speed.
Take a look at the video clip on this page. http://www.simplegolf.com/pp-powertips.htm It's from our Power Tips DVD. This video clip talks about exactly what you need.
Read this article on the forum. http://simpleswing.forumco.com/topic~TOPIC_ID~337.asp It should help you understand the concept of core power.
Try those things and then either e-mail me or send me another video and let me know how you're doing. Please feel free to ask any questions.
Yes I did mention swinging a weighted club but that was a secondary recommendation.
I don't believe I got a follow-up from that e-mail so let's pick up from there.
Looking again at your video I also notice some problems with your weight when hitting shots with your feet together. It looked like your weight stayed mainly on your back leg. (It should stay mainly on your front leg.
Here's what I would like you to do:
1. Take another look at the powertips video clips mentioned above.
2. Do those one arm drills above.
3. Stay in touch. Try the things I suggest and then get back to me. Let me know if they worked or if they didn't work. If they don't work we'll figure out why. I'd like you to get back to me within the week and tell me if you're understanding what I'm saying and if it's working. If you don't understand anything I say or recommend TELL ME and I'll try to make it clearer or explain it a different way.
Just give me some more feedback about what's going on and I'll be happy to help.
If you (or anyone) wants a personal response please submit the questions through our Simple Golf helpdesk system at http://www.SimpleGolf.com/helpdesk That's actually the best way to ask a questions because everything is tracked and I don't lose them like I do with some emails. Obviously we can also continue contact here through the forum too.
Joe Davidson
Simple Golf
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mikeoleary
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Posted - September 03 2009 : 07:43:36 AM
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Pat
I know you are frustrated but.... i promise, guarantee that this is THE ONLY swing that truly makes you hit it straighter and farther. PLEASE come to a clinic or come to see me here in Orlando and we will get your faults identified, learn the 3 positions to Success and have more fun in 2 days hitting balls and playing golf then you thought possible. In fact I guarantee 20 strokes better immediately. or i will refund every penny. Hope that is enough incentive for you to come see me here in orlando and spend the most rewarding 2 or 3 days learning how to play golf not be on the course fighting a bad swing.
please call me or email me to discuss options / i love the challenge and will change your game if you are willing to learn and practice the correct way.
Mike O'Leary
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pat72
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Posted - September 23 2009 : 3:27:55 PM
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Gentlemen,
I apologize for not answering any sooner but I am pretty busy at the moment and traveling a lot (just sitting here in Munich, at least the Octoberfest is going on  , it is really very funny, people drinking a lot of beer, dancing on the tables and to all a humbaba band is playing).
I am not critizising the efforts Joe and Mike are putting into the SPS teaching. I think nobody else can match that. But at the moment I still can't experience the advantages for my game.
I tried to go back to the roots. Looked at what Joe is recommending (powertips and advanced video, one-arm drill, spagetthi arms). I haven't had much time on the driving range (also testing some equipment there) and I still can not get the power feeling. I still don't see where the power is coming from. I can do the whoosh drill in a very decent speed, but I am not able to do this with my real swing. Perhaps I have a big trust problem, since I haven't experienced the true SPS.
Nevertheless, I signed up for the Rayleigh clinic on the 4th, and I hope to have a light bulb there. When do you guys send out the information where the clinic exactly is? I would like to book a hotel for the night from Saturday to Sunday.
So see you in NC (when I survive the visit here in the Weltstadt mit Herz).
Pat72 |
Edited by - pat72 on September 23 2009 3:29:05 PM |
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mikeoleary
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Posted - September 24 2009 : 07:20:02 AM
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Pat
waiting on approval from locales/ will send to you as soon as i get ok/ again i promise a true change in both understanding, execution and scoring/ call me with any questions / see you in Raleigh
mike o
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dorro1971
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Posted - September 26 2009 : 3:32:25 PM
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hi Pat,
sorry to hear about your troubles,
in my opinion and experience, i myself have "bounced" between cg and sps and i have to say nothing gives me the comfort like simple power swing! by that i mean, when i tried normal golf for a while, i found that i kept taking my power thumb grip on the more testing shots, just out of security.
with regards to distance when you learn to use your core power source you will simply explode the ball from every club.
i get about 125 pw, 160 with a seven iron, 255 3 wood, 290-310 driver.
it's not all plain sailing though, still get real bad hooks from time to time but all in all well worth the change.
i do hope you give the clinics a chance.
either way keep us posted.
all the best, dorro |
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A year with SPS - a success?
