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flopper
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Posted - June 10 2009 : 3:06:01 PM
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yea, I agree on that.
Working on the swingplane now, as I now know how to get the club to make solid contact and get some distance from the driver.
Solving that was my first priority as I been sick without being able to make solid contact and get some distance.
I do airdrills, and I have found how to get the proper backswing where the shaft is at least where it suppose to be and not around my waist.
I am building this from ground up so I be making some progress in the coming days I guess.
I can now focus on the swing plane, as I have the position for impact solved and power will come even more.
I needed to take 2 days off as I am overworked physically so it has started to make impact on my focus and making me tired.
On track as I go.
From 11hcp to tourpro level 2009?
Got it how to swing Symple. Same swing with superb puttning. Low 70 scores here I come! |
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flopper
Sweden
320 Posts |
Posted - June 11 2009 : 11:08:07 AM
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Seems I might have solved the swingplane issue.
However, the small test at the grass at my sister isnt a substitute for the range but at least this confirmed my ideas.
I will play 9 or 18 tomorow, and find out how this works out.
From 11hcp to tourpro level 2009?
Got it how to swing Symple. Same swing with superb puttning. Low 70 scores here I come! |
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flopper
Sweden
320 Posts |
Posted - June 12 2009 : 4:42:13 PM
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planned to go 18 holes today.
however, after a severe allergic reaction I had to quit after 9 holes as my nose was running all the time and I was tired.
I hit the ball better epscially with the driver as I am able to be on plane more.
swing is a mess atm as I got all clubs working now, and can focus on the game and scoring more than before.
so instead of playing I did some practice with pitching and chipping and putting.
distance with driver is around 240yards with carry + roll.
I get more power slowly as it is going up and I will work on bringing the hips into the swing the coming week.
getting the swing more on plane also brought some draw shots.
I hope I feel better tomorow.
From 11hcp to tourpro level 2009?
Got it how to swing Symple. Same swing with superb puttning. Low 70 scores here I come! |
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flopper
Sweden
320 Posts |
 Posted - June 13 2009 : 11:53:25 AM
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Played 18.
solid without any consistency.
45/40 for an 85.
I get more power, however every swing feels different which makes it hard to be consistent.
was able to do some good shots at the end of the round where I to some degree could be more one swing.
had good approach shots the last few holes.
almost made hio on 16.
Gonna work on same swing next time as my shorter irons is more acurate and also long.
if I could use that swing for all clubs I be deadly acurate and long.
Hit my 8i 140 yards carry on the 17, which was to much club and I still had gone down and hiting a 9i felt way short.
so, solid golf, without any consistency, some good power, and the idea of same swing should help me score well.
I get on it tomorow.
From 11hcp to tourpro level 2009?
Got it how to swing Symple. Same swing with superb puttning. Low 70 scores here I come! |
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flopper
Sweden
320 Posts |
Posted - June 14 2009 : 12:49:54 PM
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progress report:
1. range session, goal to work on same swing feel for all clubs.
2. used a 8i, 5i(hybrid) and driver.
3. after a few balls, swing was good, straight and solid on all 3 clubs.
Goal and outcome met for range session.
Course, was wet, raining all day.
Played 9 holes.
1 hole.
driver 180y, right, 8i approach shot, missed green, chipped and putt, par.
2hole.
5i to 10f, didnt make birdie, left short in line.
3hole.
driver, straight but short, 5i, then 7i to foregreen.
chipp 2 putt bogie.
4hole.
short driver, missed second shot with 3w, lost ball.
played new ball, pin high missed green.
pitch and 3 putt.
quadruple bogey.
5.hole.
made green, 3 putt.
6. hole.
driver, 250yards and straight.
8i didnt commit so was short.
bad chip and 2 putt.
7. hole
shanked 8i, pitch and 3 putt.
8. hole.
3w, straight and long 220yards, 5i, 8i to foregreen.
chip and 2 putt.
9. hole.
240y+ driver.
6i to green 160yards, 2 putt.
shot 10 over.
3/9 gir.
4/7fir.
Evaluation: felt good on all shots, swing felt more solid, stable and consistent. Power was good.
Short game isnt good.
After the round, I went to the practice green.
Shifted to a 3 finger overlap (have used a 2 finger) and shifted balls to titliest pro v1.
I was then able to consistently be closer to the hole than I ever had been.
This made me confident to realize that I should use a 3 finger grip and that it would help me to use the better ball for control around the green.
Overall, I get more power, hit more straight, and short game should now be fixed.
going to play 18 tomorow, and go all out to see what I can score.
Had a good practice day.
From 11hcp to tourpro level 2009?
Got it how to swing Symple. Same swing with superb puttning. Low 70 scores here I come! |
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simpleswing
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Posted - June 14 2009 : 3:18:42 PM
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Hi flopper,
Nice to see the progress you're making.
You said quote:
"Gonna work on same swing next time as my shorter irons is more acurate and also long. if I could use that swing for all clubs I be deadly acurate and long".
I agree completely with your approach. You should be working on setting up and swinging the same why for all clubs. Obviously the driver requires a few set up differences because you're hitting the ball off a tee but other than that the swing should be the same.
"Good, straight and solid" is exactly what we like to see. As you get the swing grooved and gain more confidence I'm sure you'll see the distance go up especially as you get the hips turning more and more.
Keep up the good work.
Joe Davidson
Simple Golf
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flopper
Sweden
320 Posts |
Posted - June 15 2009 : 10:31:16 AM
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Played 18.
really Rainy day with some wet greens and fairways.
6/18 Gir
53% saves, best this year.
33putts.
made 2 greens first nine holes.
+4 for a 40 out.
two 3putts. on the two greens I hit.
was 7 over after 14.
15. then bad tee shot, lost ball.
dbogy.
16 made par.
lost ball on 17.
triplebogey.
bogey at 18.
Evaluation.
Short game is fixed.
Same swing works, even under bad conditions.
Lost balls due to moving in the downswing and pulled the shots.
Didnt make the short putts.
Losing balls to easy on last 4 holes which are easy holes for me normally.
shooting 84 with 2 lost balls and three 3 putts is ok I guess, but felt like a lost round.
hopefully the rain has stopped until tomorow.
From 11hcp to tourpro level 2009?
Got it how to swing Symple. Same swing with superb puttning. Low 70 scores here I come! |
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flopper
Sweden
320 Posts |
Posted - June 16 2009 : 3:17:20 PM
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Played tuesday golf, 9 holes.
went 19 over par.
swing was totally off.
made 1 gir and made par heh.
spent the afternoon practice short game, chipping and putting.
spent one bucket on the swing, all felt ok.
but when in play, somehow, I was fully off.
totally, awful hehe
From 11hcp to tourpro level 2009?
Got it how to swing Symple. Same swing with superb puttning. Low 70 scores here I come! |
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flopper
Sweden
320 Posts |
Posted - June 20 2009 : 5:37:14 PM
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tournament tomorow, playing special event from red tee.
I get 3 shots with my handicap hehe.
I rested 3 days, and feel fine, will get my sisters kid to caddie.
so I will see how the rest has done for me as I truly needed some days off.
From 11hcp to tourpro level 2009?
Got it how to swing Symple. Same swing with superb puttning. Low 70 scores here I come! |
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flopper
Sweden
320 Posts |
Posted - June 21 2009 : 11:06:26 AM
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Played 18.
red tee.
shot 14 over.
all clubs longer than 8i I push/slice and I lsot 4 balls.
spent 3 buckets on range after, NO GOOD SHOTS.
tired of this ****.
I give up as I need a hands on lesson and since that wont happen anytime due to distance and money, I give up.
No power, no solid shots.
Short game is the only thing that works.
approach shots are acurate and on line.
the rest just suck so much ass its unbeliveable bad.
No power, no solid shots.
I give up.
From 11hcp to tourpro level 2009?
Got it how to swing Symple. Same swing with superb puttning. Low 70 scores here I come! |
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simpleswing
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Posted - June 22 2009 : 1:16:10 PM
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Hi Flopper,
Sorry about the difficulties you're experiencing. You definitely do have the basics for a really good solid swing but you also need some "tweaks". Whether you do Symple Swing or any other swing you really still need to work on getting your backswing more on-plane. If your backswing is offplane you need exceptional timing and years of practice to get it consistently back on-plane in the downswing. Jim Furyck and Lee Trevino did that but only with decades of practice.
BTW, Trevino and Furyk took the club back on the outside and then looped back inside to get back on-plane. Your tendency is to take the club back way under the plane. This often results in what the pros call "getting trapped" where it's really, really difficult (if not impossible to get back on-plane from being so far under the plane. That's what's happening with those push shots you mentioned.
We're talking about two things here. 1. BallStriking 2. Scoring. Those are actually two completely different skills. There are good ballstrikers who don't score well and there are guys that score well who are NOT good ball strikers. You seem to judge your swing by your score. Actually the correlation their isn't as high as you think.
If you really are fixated on your score then you should do nothing else but practice your short game (pitching, chipping and putting) from 100 yards in. Practice your long game only enough to not lose too many balls. You'll actually improve your score the fastest that way. If you having trouble with your drives master a short backswing punch drive that you can get in the fairway most every time about 200 yards or maybe a little more. Even with a drive around 200 yards drive you can play scratch (or darn near) golf on most courses. We all want to hit it 250+ but long drivers get beaten every day by 200 yard drivers who have great short games.
If you're more worried more about your swing and ball striking then you have to put in some range time and probably some playing time where you don't even keep score. You need to judge your success not on how far you hit the ball but only on how well you can stay on plane. Once your swing is consistently on-plane then you can much more easily work on adding power and improving consistency.
I think you have to decide which is more important for you right now, fixing your score or fixing your swing. YOU REALLY CAN'T FIX BOTH AT THE SAME TIME. If you decide to work on your score then it will mean not so much range time but lots and lots of practice green time. You should practically live with a wedge or a putter in your hand.
You certainly have a the ability to become a really good golfer but you have to go about it in a very organized way. Whichever way you decide to go I'll be happy to work with you step by step to a really good golf game.
Joe Davidson
Simple Golf
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flopper
Sweden
320 Posts |
Posted - June 23 2009 : 09:53:01 AM
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well,
my short game is pro level.
I rank, 130 yards and in as good as any pro.
My chip and half wedges is almost there.
Putting, is as good as pro, maybe even better due to hard to judge on these greens.
not as smooth as greens like I seen on your dvd´s.
so yes I know the difference.
If I would play a longer course, its simply a matter of math, much easier to hit a 7 or 6 iron or even a 5iron than to have spoon etc...as the number of greens I would hit decrease with distance.
Now, the game I have is good enough to meet my home course, no doubt.
However, If I wanna go for tour pro then its simply a matter to get the distances and obviously consistency with the longer clubs as the short game still is the same.
Played 9holes today.
5gir. 4 over due to one 3putt, and two small mistakes, one from tee and one where I aimed to far right.
Made bogey due to tee shot hit sandbunker with impossible lie.
made bogey due to hit the thick rough made it hard to even get it out.
last bogey was a short wedge, right distance but to much right.
Now I didnt make any birdie putts, left them a foot short.
the one I went for, made a 3 putt.
impossible flag placement tho.
now, as I played, I had good enough shots, even without the proper distances from tee.
so even if I went 4 over, it was as for my game a high score as my game level is lower.
so I judge this for the future reference to qualify for the local tour, where the difference in distance would in effect make a difference.
and yes, I keep working on stuff, just tired of playing like a hacker.
Giving up trying to meet goals and outcomes this year.
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simpleswing
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Posted - June 23 2009 : 1:06:20 PM
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Hi Flopper,
I'm sorry I've just been having a tough time understanding your game. Yes you definitely have a pretty darn good game now. I understand you want to be a lot better.
At times, you complain pretty much about all parts of your game so it's difficult to suggest one thing for you to work on. Obviously you need to boost your distance to take your game to the next level. However to gain distance you really need to focus on getting your backswing on-plane. The more power you add to an off plane swing the more difficult it will be to control. So in you want to increase your distance I'm suggesting you concentrate on fixing your backswing so it stays on-plane.
Check Points
I would suggest working on two checkpoints in the backswing. (Everyone would benefit from working on these checkpoints.)
Check Point #1
The first check point is when your club is 45 degress back from address. At this point the shaft of your club should still be pointing at the Extended Target Line. That's key. If you shaft isn't pointing at the Extended Target Line then you're off plane already.
Check Point #2
When your club is 90 degrees back (i.e. horizontal) the shaft should be parallel to the Extended Target Line. By this I mean the butt of your club should be pointing just left of the target (assuming right handed golfer) and the club head end of the shaft should be pointing straight back parallel to the Extended Target Line. Notice the club is parallel to the yellow line on the ground indicating the Extended Target Line.
Get you swing on-plane and I think your distance will go up a good bit fairly quickly.
Joe Davidson
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flopper
Sweden
320 Posts |
Posted - June 23 2009 : 2:34:49 PM
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ok, got that.
I just are somewhat emotinal.
dont take it personally.
I got my sisters son here atm and he is now taking lessons to get his green card as it is called here to be able to play golf.
it be good to have some company on the course next week.
I be playing 9 or 18 tomorow as he take lessons.
Giving up trying to meet goals and outcomes this year.
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flopper
Sweden
320 Posts |
Posted - June 24 2009 : 2:24:59 PM
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working on the swing on the course, cant make head or tails on the range.
shot 80 today, had three 3 putts and made no birdies.
started to finally get some distance and acuracy with longer irons and 3w and driver.
had 4 good shots and ended on 18 with a 7i from 150yards to green, no birdie tho.
if the trend is going the right way I should be able to play better tomorow.
Giving up trying to meet goals and outcomes this year.
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flopper
Sweden
320 Posts |
Posted - June 25 2009 : 11:22:12 AM
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Played good for 4 holes.
after 3, -1.
4i to 4feet, missed birdie for -2.
next hole quadbogey as I mis**** teeshot and lost ball.
shot 83.
8gir.
50% saves.
I have started to use 3i from tee for many shots, its so hot, the ball travels further and that club will be a better choice on many par 4.
still inconsistent with longer clubs even if I am getting the ball going more straight.
Feel I can shot really low.
short game:
Putting good.
Chipping good.
Pitching getting there.
Missed just one badly.
Long game:
better but inconsistent still.
I can hit great shots that simply is so good and acurate and the next I can mis**** into the woods.
The sun is however making it hot here, almost unbearable to play.
Blue sky and no hiding away.
Giving up trying to meet goals and outcomes this year.
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flopper
Sweden
320 Posts |
Posted - June 27 2009 : 5:11:12 PM
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Played 9 holes with my sisters son.
shot +2.
all clubs works well except driver which still is a push slice.
6/9gir.
played consistently well with all around good distance.
except driver a few times.
however, starting to hit it a little better and hopefully romorow I be able to go straight.
Giving up trying to meet goals and outcomes this year.
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flopper
Sweden
320 Posts |
Posted - June 29 2009 : 4:13:57 PM
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Playing the small league at my club tomorow.
Been hot all week, almost unplayable conditions here with sun blazing away.
colder temps are coming tho.
It be nine holes and foursome so it be a good day.
Found some info on some insights I be testing out on the range.
Always good to be testing stuff.
shot 83 yesterday, 12 bogies and 6 pars.
four 3putts.
8/18gir.
was stable and consistent, just some small push/slices with longer clubs but wasnt in any trouble tho.
Planning the shots helps..
Giving up trying to meet goals and outcomes this year.
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flopper
Sweden
320 Posts |
Posted - June 30 2009 : 08:20:03 AM
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Played foursome 9 holes, played decent and we won our match.
Started reading a thread on golfwrx, one guy a polish is trying to automate the swing CG, and using ideas from biokinetik.
So started reading that and finnaly found that I got some ideas I had to test.
So, range session, tested, felt fine and played the foursome.
Hit good shots all day except a couple of shots but it was still in play.
had 3 approach shots pin high, little right but all ok.
Spent some time at the range and tested further.
What did it for me was,
1. 3 finger overlap grip.
Felt more solid and connected.
2. closed stance, moved back foot back so closed stance, open up the left foot a little so the hip become free on lead foot.
Set hips in impact position.
TH Ben Hogan diagonal stance did it for me.
http://www.biokineticgolfswing.forom.pl/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=15
This made it possible and doable to start to being able to swing away at the ball.
had several drivers at the range that I was able to make solid contact and that they went straight and further than before.
Had 2 driver shots when I played foursome that was around 240+with roll.
This set up and position felt good where I felt some power but also just needed to swing away without any re-routing for swingplane.
Giving up trying to meet goals and outcomes this year.
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flopper
Sweden
320 Posts |
Posted - July 09 2009 : 11:16:49 AM
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Played 18.
shot 82.(+11)
5gir. 1birdie.
three putted 3 greens heh.
Found out how to hit driver with the latest ideas I been testing.
straight and long.
had 2 shots in the 265+yard range.
The other driver shots was ok, all straight.
Tomorow I work on getting this with the other clubs as I was miss hitting way to many iron shots.
Giving up trying to meet goals and outcomes this year.
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Preparing season 2009.
