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flendog


USA
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Posted - August 23 2008 :  8:33:53 PM  Show Profile Send flendog a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I on several occassions pulled my shots, both irons and woods, a little. Not badly, but enough to not be where i wanted to be. Don't get me wrong, I hit some very nice drives. What bugged me was when I played for a little pull, I hit the ball dead where I aimed. I noticed that a couple times I took my lead arm back too for, in that I raised my arms too high and that lifted my upper body some. I did actually almost raise my back heel off of the ground, and that really helped going through the ball, felt good. On my DVD it states to whip my left shoulder on the down swing, but several times it felt like my left arm was flailing after the swing. I have slowed my backswing so that I get a good turn( chest & shoulders). Also at times I think that I am aimed right of my target, so maybe I pull to get back on line. Could I be whipping my left shoulder too quickly and getting out of cink? Any help would be appreciated. Even pulling a little I still am golfing better than ever. Thanks. Flendog

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jclenden



USA
73 Posts

Posted - August 25 2008 :  09:09:50 AM  Show Profile Send jclenden a Private Message  Reply with Quote
flendog,

I have struggled with this same problem from time to time. I can tell you what causes mine and how I attempt to "fix" it, in case that helps.

I pull the ball when I open my lead shoulder too quickly. In other words, by the time I reach impact my lead shoulder is pointing left of the target instead of my shoulders remaining square to the target line. It feels "powerful" to pull with that lead shoulder, but you actually lose power if you don't keep the shoulder square until impact. It's near impossible to hit the ball straight when you pull the lead shoulder back away from the ball. In the old days that would cause a slice, but with SS it usually leads to a pull instead.

My solution is 3 fold:
1) I start my downswing a little more slowly so that I don't "pull" my lead shoulder out of line. It also "feels" like I'm dropping my hands straight down when I start the shoulder turn correctly.
2) I keep my lead bicep/tricep resting on my chest so that my arms remain synchronized with my body. This also helps alot with control because loose arms allow the club to fly anywhere.
3) I keep my lead elbow pointing at the target until impact, which feels like my lead shoulder is lifting "up". It's kind of a constricted feeling - like I'm not making enough room for my swing - but it delivers great power to the ball.

When I tighten my swing in this way, I face one new temptation: to thrust my hips forward in order to generate power. If you feel likewise tempted, RESIST IT! There is SOOOO little lower body movement in the swing that it almost feels wimpy at times, but this stable lower body makes it possible to turn your upper body under control, which is one of the most important keys to solid contact.

I'm sure Mike or Joe can give you better advice, but these things have been working well for me.

Jeff
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flendog



USA
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Posted - August 25 2008 :  10:36:32 AM  Show Profile Send flendog a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Jeff: Thanks! I'll try your suggestion. I do whip the lsft shoulder pretty violently, and I do push off my back foot. HF

HMF
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mikeoleary



429 Posts

Posted - August 26 2008 :  09:11:34 AM  Show Profile  Visit mikeoleary's Homepage Send mikeoleary a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Flendog
thanks for the great q that we all experience sooner or later/ Jeff is the man - right on the $ with fix/ other words or way to describe feeling is not too swing with arms and hands, like jeff states make it a slower body feeling swing or turn/ be surprised at the power produced by long lever of left arm result of upper torso uncoiling/ same thing that Tony Robbins experienced in last lesson when light went on with 'smooth' relaxed control coil and uncoil
call me with any questions
let us know of progress
mike o
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dorro1971



56 Posts

Posted - August 26 2008 :  2:15:56 PM  Show Profile Send dorro1971 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi Flendog,

I used to be the world's best..(worst) puller of the golf ball,
to the point where i blamed symple swing for my bad shots!

all i can say is make sure that during your backswing, at the point that your left arm is parallel to the ground it is also paralel to the target line, this keeps my swing on a great plane and makes my arms finish high, next to my left ear.

if you pull inwards on the backswing the laws of physics will make you swing around your body as oppose to the target.

i remember Moe Norman saying "the ball goes where your hands go"

please see this video to see where you don't want to be at during your swing!

look at the bacswing on the down the line view..uuurrgh!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-BbcfMr3OA



hope i am not offering bad advise,
but if you look anything like this you will pull hard left.



Dorro




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flendog



USA
18 Posts

Posted - August 30 2008 :  5:19:18 PM  Show Profile Send flendog a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Thanks for the advise. I used the T-Lock stance with my irons & fairway woods this week and the effect was great! My irons were going right where I aimed almost every time. I even used it on my last drive, and amazingly, the ball went dead straight and just as for as usual. My biggest problem was that swinging in a more rythemic fashion my irons were going further than normal.JBeing a natural slugger, I have to fight the urge to kill the ball, but I can't argue with the facts, the smoother I swing the better the ball goes.
I know the T-Lock stance is only transitional, and I have to work on keeping ny lower body more stable, but it helps. Jeff i tried to incorporate your suggestions and I think that is why I was swinging smoothly. THANKS! HF

HMF
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