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flopper
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 Posted - June 18 2008 : 5:24:13 PM
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6 buckets on the range.
no soar muscles, did feel some in my tigh and arms but overall, its nothing.
swing wise, took 5 buckets until I found I had the wrong set up.
adjusted, better quality hits, sam distance less effort.
However, might kill my lower body if it dont stand still when I swing 
However, this adjusted set up it became clear that the shoulders then becomes more active and sorted out in the motion.
The ballquality improved in the hit and even if I am to short for my liking, acuracy went up a lot.
and more importantly, I felt that now I could play golf again.
tried 9 holes in the morning, played 10 over due to no consistency at all.
but the range session might have fixed that finnaly.
tomorow, another play test are up.
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mikeoleary
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Posted - June 19 2008 : 08:07:51 AM
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flopper
appreciate all of your help with others who have questions, with your posts and updates on game. thanks
i know you have digested all of our material both dvd and print so maybe this will get you over the hump. why i did the Own Your Swing DVD was to help the golfer truly finally master SPS. meaning focus on the
Correct Top of backswing position and Correct Finish Position
you know what a good swing is, what is feels like, but like most of us thinking in the middle of a golf swing or 2 many swing thoughts before a swing is bad so.
1- have a good set up checking for good alignment and posture
2- practice a good takeaway and visualize your swing and shot
3- go to top of backswing position and feel it knowing this is where i am getting to
4- go to top of finish position and see it and get to it.
5- address ball and go to those 2 positions and watch a good shot go forth/lol
let me know how it goes
good luck
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flopper
Sweden
320 Posts |
Posted - June 21 2008 : 12:08:49 PM
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I play in a local tournament tomorow from red tee.
In my last round, suddenly I found out how it should feel bracing into left leg, how to keep the position of the body at impact, and I started to make good shots.
I spent a couple of hours on the range after the round just to make sure it wasnt a fluke.
With this I am sure I be able to play more consistent and also be able to increase power the coming weeks. The work I have been put into this have been massive, but I am pedantic when it comes to do things like this. Just take time and details to go trough.
The last week has been a process to go trough to find the feel of swinging with power and how to get there has been let say, painful at best.
It would have been easier with hands on lessons ofc, but I do my best here due to the lack of economy to travel far distances 
Well, rested two days, no golf, just doing small things, eating and watching some movies, and just relaxing for two whole days.
I get some new tech toys this week, a new motherboard and a new lcd screen, my old one died.
That be something to meddle with after the golf.
Preparing for tomorow and I do my best.
Its be a fun one due to shot distances and no more shots than 3, its tough but fun way to compete.
From 11hcp to tourpro level 2008?
The test of Symple swing system are going hardcore ;) |
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mikeoleary
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Posted - June 22 2008 : 11:02:57 AM
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flopper
sounds like you have hit wall/ normal for everyone especially with as many balls as you hit/ when i have student who practices alot then sometimes you can fall into bad habits because you are so deep in swing mechanics etc./ do a lot of visual work in the mirror to see what correct is, to remind brain to feel 'that this is correct positions etc
going over 'simple' fundamentals/ ie-
-grip, posture, stance
-take away, top of backswing position = triangle intact, wrist flat, no right arm tension etc.
-downswing pull by front shoulder, no hand or arm tension or powering swing, head still, -club heads still square thru impact along with belt buckle square at impact.
-finish in good position with hands above front ear not breaking either wrist on thru swing, essentially swooshing swing by upper body uncoiling with front arm long lever with club shaft.
mentally and visually find SPS and then go hit balls or play, positive results will occur and bad swings will be corrected immediately with 'known' feelings of what correct is and what incorrect is by mind knowing swing.
let me know and again if possible to send joe and i video we can do phone lesson always with immediate results.
thanks for all
take care and good luck
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flopper
Sweden
320 Posts |
Posted - June 25 2008 : 10:49:05 AM
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No power, no distance,
was outdriven by 50meter from CGolfers.
Sure I was more acurate but the lack of distance dont make up for it.
Short game works well.
From 11hcp to tourpro level 2008?
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SATTHMNS
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Posted - June 26 2008 : 4:27:06 PM
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Flooper
I am no expert, but one thing i do know is you can certainly hit the ball a long ways with SS. You can get as much distance or more than CG. I am still learning myself, but I have hit many shots as long or many times longer than CG. I hit a 7 iron 195 yards high over a tree, and I had GPS to check it. I have hit some really long Drives and fairway woods just not consistent at it yet.
Now don't get me wrong I struggle too. I did not play very well yesterday although I had some good shots, many poor ones too. I'm still pulling too many among other things. |
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mikeoleary
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Posted - June 26 2008 : 10:00:58 PM
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flopper
if you are experiencing 'no distance' then you must be swinging with just arms/ meaning if upper body, core is turning and coiling and downswing is uncoil with full turn finish there is no way power is not being produced.
you can be correct with left arm parallel to target at top of backswing but if shirt button is still pointed at ball and belt buckle is still at ball then there will be no power generated by big muscles in chest, back and shoulders.
please check and get back to me
most important please send video of swing - side and back view and I guarantee complete fix right away.
I will call you to go over video
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flopper
Sweden
320 Posts |
Posted - June 29 2008 : 07:33:10 AM
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Correct Mike.
Went to my sister, made some pitching shots to pass time.
Lightbulb went off.
I knew I was off with something, so suddenly I could feel how to generate the slap or the shoulder turn whip generating power and speed.
Went and played, shot 88, 5 3 putts even though I did had a great shortgame.
Most of the 3 putts was not going trough the ball properly.
made a chip in for birdie and another birdie on the run later with a 8m putt.
However, the swing is much improved, I made better shots when I did things properly, I am not making good ball contact yet all the time and I swing slower than my practice swings, old habits still there.
I do understand now how to generate swingspeed.
I will be doing some range sessions and also play this week and will improve on this distance thing a lot.
What did happen at my sister was that I felt the upper body coiling and the arms/hands just lagged behind.
allowing a speed increase, better ballflight and an improved smile.
Will check back on the progress on this.
At least this have given me the needed feedback in how a arms/hands swing feels like and how it stops the power to be generated, I am just re-designing my experiences since I never have known how a swing should feel like.
I guess I am on to it tho 
The round went like this (88)
3 straight pars,
4 hole: good drive, bad second shot into deep rough, 4 over for a quadruple.
next hole birdie chip in.
2 pars.
8 hole:one bad tee shot, afraid to go all the way.
made a quadruple.
9 hole: bad tee shot, double bogey.
9 over for a 45 first nine.
Silly, just a few bad shots and 2 3 putts, funny game.
started last nine,
bogie, saved.
doublebogey, bad chip and 3 putt.
bogie, chip 2 putt, sucked.
bogie, 3 putt.
doublebogey, hit a bad tee shot.
par, missed birdie putt.
birdie holed a 8m.
par, missed birdie.
bad tee shot sand, double bogey after hitting the bunker on approach.
Even if the score was a little high, and I had some 3 putts,
the game wasnt that bad.
When I miss the shots, its was due to hitting them right, straight out.
For me that seems like to be a cause of not trusting the mechanics.
The swing became as easy as anything, this brought trouble due to adjusting to just playing the shot and going with the proper speed.
Something a few range sessions will cure.
I think I got it down Mike, but I get back to ya if needed
From 11hcp to tourpro level 2008?
The test of Symple swing system are going hardcore ;) |
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SATTHMNS
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Posted - July 01 2008 : 10:09:05 AM
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Flopper glad to hear the light bulb went off for you as you said. You sound like you playing better than i am on the whole anyway. OR AT LEAST SCORING BETTER
I still need to get some consistency, but i am hitting some great long shots. (I WOULD SAY THAT MAYBE I HAD A LIGHT BULB GO OFF MYSELF LAST NIGHT. I STARTED PUTTING MORE WEIGHT ON MY BACK LEG AT SET UP KIND OF UNINTENTIALLY REALLY, BUT STARTED HITTING REALLY LONG STRAIGHT DRIVES, TWO IN A ROW IN THE FAIRWAY AND 290-310 LONG checked with a GPS ) I hope I can keep it up but I had no pop-ups like I had been and was just killing the ball with a smooth under control effortless swing
Now I need to practice like Joe says my short game. Putting for birdie 4 times missed them all (even 4 putted once ending up with a 6 after being on in two) I went to the practice green at lunch hour and was making everything or at least leaving them close, sure couldn't last night though.
My short pitch shots and chipping is awful. Left a few approach shots just short of the green and couldn't get it close at all either way past the hole or short. Most of them ended up WAY past leaving me a long down hill putt. I can't seem to find any touch on those short chips at all. (Most of them out of longer grass on our course so putting them is not an option )
Mt ball striking is getting better and better all the time by far better than any other method i have ever used |
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flopper
Sweden
320 Posts |
Posted - July 02 2008 : 5:23:07 PM
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Well, range confirm that it works.
Better ball quality shots, powerclick.
Took it on the course, had some good shots, however a few bad ones cost me dearly.
Shot 89 but the score dont do justice to the level of game I play.
short game is "A" class now.
Still had a few 3 putts, the pins isnt on a easy platue on the greens.
putted well the first putt but the return was 3-4 yards so that I dont mind.
Lot of chips close to pin for tap in.
Short game, chips/pitch is all passive hands and underarms, all I do is to move my upper body back and trough which allows me to control the balldistance really good with some good trajectory.
Hit some good drives also, a few bad ones but I dont mind that as I now know I am on the proper path to play great golf again.
A few range sessions will start to grind the basics power moves since when I swing as I did today, I will get further and straighter.
I just need a little consistency,
its not far away,
did some bad thinking lost me 3 shots, and then 2 3 putts on the first nine cost me a few, I also saved par from 8 yards 2 times, so I guess its even up heh.
ended with 3 pars, no birdie, and only 6 greens in reg.
However, I know how to swing to generate power, and I also know how to swing for acuracy and consistency, now my body needs to learn that too  Finnaly the work starts to pay off big time.
Range sessions inc....
Good for you satt, always good to hit it long
From 11hcp to tourpro level 2008?
The test of Symple swing system are going hardcore ;) |
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SATTHMNS
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Posted - July 03 2008 : 5:10:55 PM
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flopper
So are you just turning your shoulders and trying to keep your arms passive? Are you trying to keep your lead arm pinned to your chest or not worry about that and just keeping the arms passive? |
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flopper
Sweden
320 Posts |
Posted - July 03 2008 : 5:46:03 PM
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Your questions are in requirement of a substantial answer.
Hum, here is my "perception", when chipping/pitching this I keep my focus on shoulders/upper arms, this allow me to turn back and forward with passive hands and arms.
This set me in a position in my perception to allow the position I use to hit the target on green.
Similiar to a sledgehammer, if your using one, your turning your body and let the hammer drop using your body and its position to steer the hammer into the path you want.
This is similiar also in feel to trowing a bucket of water, the water is going where you want the ball to go (no hands) using body position to judge distance. using my hands, I get inconsistent so much I couldnt belive how bad I chipped using hands. distance control sucked heh.
Using this focus on upper body and arms, I pretty much nail chipping and pitching.
If i am tired and slip focus a little, I can hit it left or right but still the distance control is what is important.
Made more close chips the last 2 rounds than I ever done before.
If we take the long swing,
the idea is the same here, for me its to feel the position I need to be in, and when i swing, allowing a turn to take place and focus on upper arms and shoulders to go down in the swing, I still move to much forward, and that I am working on to fix.
I am swinging better, more power, more consistent hits, further shots.
I hit a i8 today, when I looked at the distance, it felt long, but I hit the i8 and sure enough it was the proper club due to the swing was made and the ballcontact was solid.
I shot 86 today, lost a ball.
But my game was solid, hit 8 greens, 3 putted 2 of them, sigh 
However, I make to many mistakes that are rookie ones.
I started,
bogie (3putt) par,
missed 4yard birdie on hole 2,
missed 4 yard birdie on hole 3.
made a double bogey on hole 4, missed the fairway shot.
birdie on hole 5, 1 yard.
saved par 8m on hole6.
made rookie mistake on hole 7, doublebogey.
missed some shots on hole 8, double bogey.
missed putt short on line hole 9, bogie.
7 over.
Game felt like I could shoot par heh.
saved par on 10.
made quadbogey with lost ball, 3 putted.
bogey on 12.
bogey on 13, missed approach shot hiting it to long and 3 putt.
bogey on 14 missed the par save putt.
par 15 missed the birdie.
par 16, fully ok.
par on 17 missed the approach shot left.
bogey on 18, to short on approach and bad fringe putt.
8 over.
no good score, but the game I have feels better and better.
the last 3 rounds have met improvements on all fronts.
more power, more consistency and a nice great being able to go for it more and more.
great shortgame
I just make to many mistakes doing stupid things.
wrong clubselections, dont do the routine over again if I am disturbed. etc...
so its easy to get down in shots,
I need some consistency, and that is going up a lot, 8 greens and a few I hit close.
However, I also have some really ugly shots which I drop a shot to uch on. Putting is good, I am to inconsistent there, I can nail 8-14meter and then suddenly miss 4meter putts, working on grip there to get more consistent stroke.
But all and all, I am on track again.
its fun to get the idea how to do this now.
From 11hcp to tourpro level 2008?
The test of Symple swing system are going hardcore ;) |
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flopper
Sweden
320 Posts |
Posted - July 04 2008 : 12:13:32 PM
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Solid golf today.
shot 40 first nine, 3 lip outs, 3 greens in regulation.
then 3 holes that i shot 12 over heh.
15 over last nine made 50 ;)
However, I had some unlucky shots that wasnt that bad but ended up in a mess.
Great round with some solid golf and I have started swinging well and had only one bad tee shot, was unlucky on a few others but thats golf.
Feels good, felt like real solid golf today and I am sure I improve this to next time I play.
Short game was good and solid.
swing was much improved since last round.
really getting this down to be much better and better shots and soon can play under 80 consistently.
From 11hcp to tourpro level 2008?
The test of Symple swing system are going hardcore ;) |
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SATTHMNS
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Posted - July 07 2008 : 10:17:06 AM
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I am having some mixed results, but still much better than before SS. Hit another monster drive 300 + yards only 160 yards out on a par 5. Hit my second shot the right distance but left or the green. (no Eagle putt.) I did have a great chip close and got my birdie.
I had been putting really well, but kind of struggling lately. I look forward to the new scoring machine putter coming soon.
Chipping a little better , I have never been very good at chipping. Maybe I need to be sure I am using the core not arms too much. I did chip one in from off the green for a birdie.
Hit some better fairway wood shots.
iron shots I somehow started hitting some fatt shots? Had not been doing that before. Is that from looking up or what?
MY BIGGEST PROBL;EM IS TRYING TO HIT THE BALL, TRYING TO SWING TOO HARD. (Chuck told me this at the clinic and has since) I have never been able to hit my 3 hybread worth a darn, I did at Chuck's clinic when he got me slowing down. I have not been able to hit it very good since. Then at the range on Saturday I kept hitting poor shots with it then finally got myself to slow down and hit some very good shots .
My ball striking is much much better than before SS clinic, I just need to work more on my short game and get some consistency with my long shots (stop trying to swing too hard will take care of that)
I went to the range a week ago or so and kept hitting my irons left of the target even wedges. then I started trying to swing easier and they stated hitting my target. It is so hard for me to get out of that kill the ball mentality or the hit impulse. |
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flopper
Sweden
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Posted - July 08 2008 : 7:12:26 PM
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FAT shots, head moves down most likely.
Played 18 today, shot 81.
Had 3 bad shots, and the rest was really nice.
wasnt that acurate tho, chipping failed me and had to long to get up and down that often, and then I had 4, 3 putts heh.
I played solid and it was fun.
made 10 greens in reg.
solid, good distance, and I started to get the speed up a notch.
on the right track, just need some ingraining and speed enhance.
Listen to Chuck
The hit impulse is one of those things we learn when we dont know how to swing properly
Been there done that.
From 11hcp to tourpro level 2008?
The test of Symple swing system are going hardcore ;) |
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flopper
Sweden
320 Posts |
Posted - July 10 2008 : 12:12:14 PM
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shot 79. (8 over)
new handicap, best ever 10.4
lost 3 shots last 2 holes due to bad lies and one 3 putt.
had 3, 3 putts this round.
solid game to green, 50% in reg, bad chipping and putting tho.
Not happy with my grip for putting, going to check that on the next rangesession.
Played solid all the way, much improved distance and acuracy was good.
all shots was easy to make and hit more and better drives than I ever done.
I guess my handicap will drop pretty much the next 2 weeks.
From 11hcp to tourpro level 2008?
The test of Symple swing system are going hardcore ;) |
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SATTHMNS
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Posted - July 10 2008 : 4:41:17 PM
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I played last night. Drove the ball well, irons not bad. Fairway woods some good , a couple not.
My chipping is awful. Either blading them over the green or leaving them short.( i did chip one in though ) Putting is not good, I tried two differnt Putters seemed to have lost my good putting I had. I guess i need tyhat new putter that is on order. |
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flopper
Sweden
320 Posts |
Posted - July 11 2008 : 02:35:06 AM
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What I found interesting was that I could play golf,
I often have had a sensation of that my level of game was way better than my score.
As I played, I could swing and make the shots, and even if I was off a little to the left or the right I made the right distances with the club from the tee and approach.
My swing obviously is solid, and feeling that I can play and swing as I want to allows me to play golf the way I wanted to play.
Often I wanted to lower my handicap, and since this was a hit and miss, I never understanded how the level of my game affects the way I score concistently and my level of play.
As I played, I started to understand that my shots would be pretty good no matter what.
That made me realize I should be able without much effort to play in the 70īs due to having good distances, good acuracy and a good shortgame.
In a way, I have lifted my swing into automatic habitual and now it was just to keep doing the same swing to deliver the shot I wanted.
I cant say I had a ballcontact that was where I wanted it to be, but I kept in play, I hit good distances and was able to if my shortgame was up to it, score well around par.
I had good distances, almost where I need them to be, acuracy was off a little, and putting needs a little work still.
So, as I am sitting here, knowing all this and understanding, that I can swing well,
this shifts my practice to find out how to deliver more clubhead speed, and keep the ball going straighter and improve putting, and when that is done, I be shooting in the 60īs.
I had 40% up and downs, missed a few short putts, 2-3 yards,
and putts wasnt made stroke wise neutral but was either a push or pull.
To much right hand.
all and all, this was the best golf round I ever played due to having the level of game that I have wanted.
From 11hcp to tourpro level 2008?
The test of Symple swing system are going hardcore ;) |
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SATTHMNS
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Posted - July 14 2008 : 11:24:16 AM
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I played friday night and played pretty good. Hitting great Drives. Played not bad on the whole.
Saturday was our club championship. we have a handicap division and a scratch division. I hope someday i will be good enough to play in the scratch turnement but i am not now. So being my handicap is so high because of my golf before I went to the SS clinic. So if I could play like I did on friday I could have a goiod chance to win it. Well I don't know if i was nervious or what buy I started out with my first shot a first shot hooked it out of bounce, Then second one under a tree. Took an 8 on the par 4. I ended up hitting 3 balls out of bounce and 4 under trees. One oif my worst days of golf .
Oh well i know my game is improved, but I couldn't do anyhting right on Saturday that is for sure. Just one of those days i guess.
I did hit some good shots just few and far between and a lot of awful shots under trees and out od bounce |
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flopper
Sweden
320 Posts |
Posted - July 16 2008 : 03:36:12 AM
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Sat, its called nerves
However, played in competition yesterday.
analyze:
Started bogie, duffed.
then, tripple, tripple.
7 over after 3 holes.
Then continue with,
saved par, bogie 3putted and then another bogie, 3putted.
made par.
tripplebogie, missed a teeshot lost ball.
then, hit a good drive, 50yards to flag, hit bad approach into the bunker, made doublebogey.
then I made 6 consecutive pars.
I was 14 over after 9 holes.
Lost 2 balls.
3putted 3 times.
My analyze shows that I was off in my chipping, putting where I lost my shots.
I had only 3 bad shots where I lost balls.
However; when I made 6 holes in a row making pars, I played the golf I wanted to play.
Saved par on short par 3, made a 6yard putt for par.
next;up and down for par.
missed birdie putt made par.
missed birdie made par.
2putt from 12yards.
up and down and saved par.
What I could say is that my game has improved, I got a new feel/sensation when making those 6 holes into pars and felt it was easy and the shots was as simple as any to make.
However, lost ball on next hole, made another tripple.
doublebogey on next due to bad approach shot and chipping.
(lost my temper on the last one and made a 10)
I must improve distance control on chipping, where I often go to far, on the little longer chipp/pitch shots.
I noticed I hit the ball to the flag more than a spot before the flag and made 15yard putts heh.
I felt I have improved my game.
I swing better and gain more distnace and the swing feels more of the same with all clubs.
I couldnt replicate the full feel from the range session where I just nailed everything and went a little to handsy on the golfcourse.
I managed to improve that to some extent and the score dont reflect my game.
The 14 over could have as easy been 3 or just 4.
missed short putts, 3putted 3times, lost 2 balls.
made a double from 50yards due to not follow trough properly on the pitch.
Its like 10 shots with bad shortgame.
and my long game was fine except 2 shots.
I learned I guess more from this round than anything I done as far.
Found a good feel and the level of game I want to have.
What to improve with chipping/pitching and also be focusing on distancecontrol with putting since accuracy is good now.
Made 7 greens in reg.
made 8 pars.
3putted 2 greens in reg.
good distance on long game.
shortgame was really good and then really bad.
Feel today as my game has approached a new level.
From 11hcp to tourpro level 2008?
The test of Symple swing system are going hardcore ;) |
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