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Boris


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Posted - June 20 2006 :  10:14:50 AM  Show Profile Send Boris a Private Message  Reply with Quote
You set up with a flat lead wrist with SS. It needs to stay flat. I bet that some of you who have difficulty in mastering SS might be cupping at the top. This leads to very unpredicatable ball flight and disruption of a nice rounded swing path.

I have seen struggling golfers loose their flat lead wrist almost from the takeaway. It is necessary that if you tend to lose this all important alignment, you will have to consciously will yourself to maintain it. And you might find yourself with a lot of lead wrist pain in the beginning, as maintaining this flat postion is new to you.

Start out with chips and work from there, do whatever is necessary to maintain this flat wrist postion. Something that might work is to exaggerate the lead wrist position during setup and the early stages of the backswing to an arched postion, that is right I said arched! By the time you get to the top, this arch will often dissipate and your wrist will be flat. Now with the quietest of hands, just swing using shoulder power.

Boris

simpleswing



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Posted - June 20 2006 :  10:40:00 AM  Show Profile Send simpleswing a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi Boris,

I agree. Cupping (bending the wrist towards the top of the forearm) causes many golfers big problem.

One training aid that I have tested (there are others) that seems to do a pretty good job of stopping this is the Swing Glove ******************************You must be logged in to see this link. It prevents cupping nicely during the swing. If you really have a problem cupping the wrist it might be worth a try.

I certainly agree with Boris that practicing chipping is great in learning to keep a flat wrist. I also find that doing the shoulder waggle (see ******************************simpleswing.forumco.com/topic~TOPIC_ID~332.asp ) can help teach you to keep the wrist flat. It's easy to watch your front wrist and make sure it's flat when doing the shoulder waggle (mini-practice swing). While you can still get into trouble if you go too long on your backswing the shoulder waggle seems to help some people get the "feel of a flat wrist".

Joe Davidson
Simple Golf
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jdmike



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Posted - June 26 2006 :  2:42:55 PM  Show Profile Send jdmike a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi, everyone,
This is my first post here. I'm just beginning to put some serious effort into learning SS. I wanted to leave a note to publicly thank
Boris for the generous giving of his time on last Saturday to help
a slow 57 year-old work on the mechanics of the swing. Boris, you were right...I was a bit sore on Sunday, but not as much as I thought I'd be. Folks, Boris knows his stuff and is a very patient and encouraging communicator. I left with a full plate of things to work on, with a much clearer understanding of how to approach developing the swing. I can't wait for this rainy weather to move out so I can get out to the driving range. Mike O', thanks for getting me and Boris together. You both are gentlemen and scholars.
Mike

quote:
Originally posted by Boris

You set up with a flat lead wrist with SS. It needs to stay flat. I bet that some of you who have difficulty in mastering SS might be cupping at the top. This leads to very unpredicatable ball flight and disruption of a nice rounded swing path.

I have seen struggling golfers loose their flat lead wrist almost from the takeaway. It is necessary that if you tend to lose this all important alignment, you will have to consciously will yourself to maintain it. And you might find yourself with a lot of lead wrist pain in the beginning, as maintaining this flat postion is new to you.

Start out with chips and work from there, do whatever is necessary to maintain this flat wrist postion. Something that might work is to exaggerate the lead wrist position during setup and the early stages of the backswing to an arched postion, that is right I said arched! By the time you get to the top, this arch will often dissipate and your wrist will be flat. Now with the quietest of hands, just swing using shoulder power.

Boris


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Boris



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Posted - June 26 2006 :  3:45:28 PM  Show Profile Send Boris a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by jdmike

Hi, everyone,
This is my first post here. I'm just beginning to put some serious effort into learning SS. I wanted to leave a note to publicly thank
Boris for the generous giving of his time on last Saturday to help
a slow 57 year-old work on the mechanics of the swing. Boris, you were right...I was a bit sore on Sunday, but not as much as I thought I'd be. Folks, Boris knows his stuff and is a very patient and encouraging communicator. I left with a full plate of things to work on, with a much clearer understanding of how to approach developing the swing. I can't wait for this rainy weather to move out so I can get out to the driving range. Mike O', thanks for getting me and Boris together. You both are gentlemen and scholars.
Mike

quote:
Originally posted by Boris

You set up with a flat lead wrist with SS. It needs to stay flat. I bet that some of you who have difficulty in mastering SS might be cupping at the top. This leads to very unpredicatable ball flight and disruption of a nice rounded swing path.

I have seen struggling golfers loose their flat lead wrist almost from the takeaway. It is necessary that if you tend to lose this all important alignment, you will have to consciously will yourself to maintain it. And you might find yourself with a lot of lead wrist pain in the beginning, as maintaining this flat postion is new to you.

Start out with chips and work from there, do whatever is necessary to maintain this flat wrist postion. Something that might work is to exaggerate the lead wrist position during setup and the early stages of the backswing to an arched postion, that is right I said arched! By the time you get to the top, this arch will often dissipate and your wrist will be flat. Now with the quietest of hands, just swing using shoulder power.

Boris






Mike,

Believe me when I say it was a privelege to spend that evening with you. You were an excellent listener, accepted advice well, and it is very clear that you have a love of our game. Most importantly, I think you realize that to break 100, it is going to take some work and practice. Even though Symple Swing is "simple", it is not magic. You have to work at it and it will take time. Do the drills we discussed and remember the alignments at setup that are so critical and it will come. Give it time, never get discouraged, and one day you will be out there and hit several good shots in a row and you will know that you are really starting to "get it".

Remember what I told you repeatedy, and I say this to all those that are genuine in their efforts to learn and improve. You can't make a good swing happen, a good swing happens on it's own. It happens through trust. Trusting that the fundamentals are valid and proven fundamentals and they work. When we can trust our swings and LETTING things happen, rather than trying to MAKE things happen, that is where the improvement curve becomes exponential.


Best of luck to you! Please keep us informed of your progress and if you have some type of swing thought or technique that really makes a difference, share it with all of us. The learning never stops. I hope one day that we have the fortune to play a round and I am buying the drinks at the 19th hole instead of you. That is the greatest reward anyone who teaches the game and loves it as I do could ever receive!

Boris
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mikeoleary



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Posted - June 26 2006 :  4:15:28 PM  Show Profile  Visit mikeoleary's Homepage Send mikeoleary a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Jdm/Boris
I am so glad all went well - Boris thanks for all your help with a new SS'er. I hope the lesson leads to hitting good shots once you master the 3 fundamentals of grip, stance and swing. We are very happy to have Boris assist us here in the forum and on the range working with folks who want to enjoy golf by hitting good shots.
Good luck Jdm - email me with any updates or questions
Boris thanks again for all of your insight and expertise.

Just finished a teacher certification for another SS teacher in the Ky area. Look for a great deal of input from Dr. Joe DeBella

Mike O
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swinger



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Posted - July 06 2006 :  10:57:06 AM  Show Profile Send swinger a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Boris- as a matter of fact I do cup the wrist because I read and saw pictures that this is what the great pros did(Hogan) so in my effort to learn the swing developed this habit. I have ordered the SS and will now try and keep my wrist flat as you suggested. Rick
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swinger



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Posted - July 06 2006 :  11:26:32 AM  Show Profile Send swinger a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Boris- regarding cuppping the wrist, in an effort to get the club up to parallel by some golfers , cupping seems to occur. It may feel more restrictive not to cup and that may be why I and others do this.
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Boris



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Posted - July 06 2006 :  11:44:46 AM  Show Profile Send Boris a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by swinger

Boris- as a matter of fact I do cup the wrist because I read and saw pictures that this is what the great pros did(Hogan) so in my effort to learn the swing developed this habit. I have ordered the SS and will now try and keep my wrist flat as you suggested. Rick




The temptation to imitate what great golfers do is great. Believe me, I have been there myself!!!! Haven't we all.

For most of us, a flat wrist is the way to go. You can certainly play golf with a cupped wrist, it adds another movement and a timing element to your swing, I would not recommend it.

Good luck

Boris
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cb44



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Posted - July 06 2006 :  4:47:26 PM  Show Profile Send cb44 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I still fight the cupped wrist problem on occassion, and I find that it usually happens whenever I don't have my front elbow pointing toward the target at address and/or when my trail arm is too "controlling."
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