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otis
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 Posted - October 03 2005 : 07:36:23 AM
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Mike, Joe, and fellow Simpleswingers
I received the material last week and I just want to say thanks for developing a system that has added one of the many things my game has needed for years.....consistency. In less than a week I've dropped 5 strokes off my usual mid 90's game. I'm confident that with time and practice I can drop another 5+ strokes easily. I'll be in Florida next spring Mike and hopefully I can make an appointment to get some one on one instruction.
In the spirit of adding consistency, I'd appreciate any insight on David Lakes 1 Iron Golf (website is 1irongolf.com). Has anyone heard of it? Their theory is basically that one can improve their game through the use of clubs that are all the same length and weight. Their customers admit it's a little awkward at first but given a little time, they seem to be very pleased with the results. So I'm wondering what would happen if you combine SS with 1 iron golf clubs.....could it be a marriage made in heaven or one with potential disastrous results?
Thanks again for the great system and I'd appreciate any comments.
Regards........Otis Ledbetter
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Natural Bill
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 Posted - October 03 2005 : 10:57:02 AM
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I think the single length iron concept has merit, and David Lake is very reputable. He stands behind his money-back gurarantee, no questions asked. I tried a set of his earlier irons (the heads were the same lie-angle but not the same weight) and didn't care for them. (I understand his new heads are much improved, all the same weight.) A little while later I bought a set of Tommy Armour EQL irons made in the late 80's or early 90's. 3-SW, all the length of my Natural Golf seven iron, all the same weight and lie angle. I really like them, very consistent yardage distance between the clubs. However, I have developed a sharp pain in my wrists from hitting steel shafted clubs (guess I'm getting old) so I'm getting ready to sell them. I installed Pro-Soft inserts to quell the vibration, but the pain persists so I'm back to my graphite shafted irons. I am ordering some new grips today, and then they'll be ready to sell. If anyone here is interested in trying the 1-iron concept at a fraction of the price, I am selling these clubs for $200.00 including shipping in the continental US. These are great clubs, I hate that I can't hit them anymore. If interested, my personal email address is elaineandbill@bellsouth.net.
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SympleBill
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Posted - October 03 2005 : 2:32:18 PM
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| Otis, 'n Others: I have a set of 1 Irons, and they have been significantly contributory to reducing my handicap index from 24 to 20ish. My irons really anchor my game now, and reduce the 'pressure' on the driver's tee shot being long and great. I am in the process of changing my swing methodology from the BGG (Single Axis), to the Symple Swing. At the present, I struggle with getting halfway between the two, and shall be in Orlando to get instruction from the Master Guru, Mike O'Leary soon! |
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simpleswing
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Posted - October 04 2005 : 11:10:57 AM
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Hi otis,
As mentioned above the "same length clubs" theory has been around for a while. To be honest I haven't tested any of them. I have heard good things about 1IronGolf as a company.
Personally, I don't think I want all my clubs or even all my irons the same length because they have different jobs to do. When I'm hitting a five iron I'm trying to get a solid straight shot with good distance. A longer club helps me get good distance. When I hit a wedge I'm trying to hit a shot with precision and accuracy. I feel a shorter club helps me be more accurate. Those are quite different goals.
Mentally I divide my clubs into four types.
1. Drivers - Obviously for hitting tee shots maximum distances.
2. Advancement clubs - I put long irons, fairway woods and long hybrids in the category. These club are for advancing the ball a long way down the fairway (or occasionally into a green).
3. Approach clubs - These are the clubs you are routinely hitting into greens. For most folks these are your mid to short irons.
4. Attack clubs (i.e. Wedges) These are the clubs your are attacking the pin with.
I carry a driver, 3 wood, 7 wood, 9 wood, 5 through 9 irons and 4 wedges.
Joe Davidson
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dwv
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Posted - October 04 2005 : 1:13:30 PM
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Originally posted by otis
Mike, Joe, and fellow Simpleswingers
I received the material last week and I just want to say thanks for developing a system that has added one of the many things my game has needed for years.....consistency. In less than a week I've dropped 5 strokes off my usual mid 90's game. I'm confident that with time and practice I can drop another 5+ strokes easily. I'll be in Florida next spring Mike and hopefully I can make an appointment to get some one on one instruction.
In the spirit of adding consistency, I'd appreciate any insight on David Lakes 1 Iron Golf (website is 1irongolf.com). Has anyone heard of it? Their theory is basically that one can improve their game through the use of clubs that are all the same length and weight. Their customers admit it's a little awkward at first but given a little time, they seem to be very pleased with the results. So I'm wondering what would happen if you combine SS with 1 iron golf clubs.....could it be a marriage made in heaven or one with potential disastrous results?
Thanks again for the great system and I'd appreciate any comments.
Regards........Otis Ledbetter
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dwv
12 Posts |
Posted - October 04 2005 : 1:26:24 PM
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Sorry - last post did not go through:
I have tried the 1iron single length clubs. Basically, I gained some accuracy and lost distance with the longer irons, gained distance and lost accuracy with the short irons. Others have had success, however, these clubs were just not for me. I can say that David Lake is a reputable club maker and he honors his guaranty without question. |
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n/a
58 Posts |
 Posted - October 26 2005 : 4:54:03 PM
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Hi fellas,
I will be selling 1SWINGIRONS very soon, my website should be up next week, the clubs will not be for all golfers, but the 299.00 for the 3-pw and sw, price tag will not scare the hell out of you,like some other vendors may,
my buddy is a 2 handicap and he loves the idea, he told me he hits the three iron, a couple of yards shorter but he is more accurate, I might use reverse taper grips to help the slicers,
I think these clubs will help the 15 and beyond handicappers.
I am pretty sure these clubs will help most golfers, so I will do a focus group to see how they work out, I live in VA so we play golf all year, remember this concept is not for everyone, but I think it will help at least 30 percent of players.
Stuart Brandt  |
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mfalcon
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Posted - October 28 2005 : 12:54:18 AM
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I also play David Lake's 1 Irons and am in the process of switching swings from NG to SS. The 1 Irons dropped 10 strokes off my game over the past year and I'm hoping that SS will help me drop even more. I have a consistent 10 yard gap between all of my irons and hit them all about three yards farther than my previous set.
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n/a
58 Posts |
Posted - October 28 2005 : 2:44:12 PM
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Hi glad to here you are doing well with Davids Irons, Mine will be half the price, 299.00 instead of 599.00.
Stuart Brandt |
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mfalcon
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Posted - October 31 2005 : 11:48:01 AM
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Stuart,
I agree with what David Lake posted in FGI because I can personally attest to the quality: http://www.freegolfinfo.com/forums/tm.asp?m=1539575
What steel are your irons made from? When will you start selling your clubs and what is the website?
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n/a
58 Posts |
 Posted - October 31 2005 : 8:35:46 PM
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HI,
the irons are made of 431 SS, and the website is in the works Should be up Soon, things are taking a bit longer then they should, I hope to have the Website up by November 10th if you have any other questions feel Free to Call Me 1 434 799 0034.
David does make a great product, But his price is very High, 17/4 Stainless heads are very good, But most Pro line irons are 431,I think Ping uses 17/4 Stainless for the iron heads, he must of had to make at least 300 sets of irons to get a price break, just figure the heads cost about 6.00 per and the shafts maybe 5.00 per and the Grips at most 2.00 per, you do the math the guy is making a nice profit, and thats great, I am a litte mouse I need a lot less Cheese, my profit is tiny compared to his and thats ok too, he has I guess invested 13 grand just for the iron heads, I hope he does great, mine will be only 299.00 per set, I hope they will try mine too, if a golfer cant
hit my clubs he or She needs to take up Polo, I will also have full money back in 30 days.
Please remember this game is 85 percent mental, the rest is technique.
Stuart Brandt |
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mfalcon
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Posted - December 26 2005 : 6:46:00 PM
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From posts on other forums, 1 Iron Golf's irons have earned the highest category ranking awarded by GolfWorks based upon total Maltby Playability Factor points: Ultra Game Improvement. They have a comparison ranking on 1 Iron's website http://www.1irongolf.com/index_files/page0004.htm
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Chazman
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Posted - September 27 2006 : 1:17:50 PM
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There have been rave reviews about these clubs on several forums, the price for the clubs is a little pricey, but there are alternatives on the market today.
MyOstrichgolf.com now offers a single length set of irons for about $200. less the 1iron golf. These club all have the constant clubhead weight and shaft lengths that the 1irons do, but they also have weight porting it the heads, and have the option for "flighted" graphite shafts, which 1iron doesn't have.
For Mike OLeary's edification, the added weight of long iron heads in these sets (3 iron would have the same clubhead weight as a 7 iron) adds mass to the impact equation of the clubheads, and more then makes up for the loss of clubhead speed from a shorter shaft.
The advantages (at least on paper) of having the entire set of irons being swung the same as a 7 iron sounds very desireable.
I will be ordering a set of these and will report back on how they work with the Symple Swing.
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Chazman
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Posted - December 10 2006 : 02:43:21 AM
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I gave the single length irons a shot for almost a month and a half, trying out the 1irons, and later the Purefit SLs.
The 1irons only come in steel shafts, with no choice to choose, flex or grips, the only choice given is shaft length.
I found these clubs to be too stiff, too heavy feeling, and extremely short with the long irons.
Had no problem hitting them well, just didn't like the short distance.
Next I tried the Purefits (which give multiple choices on how to be setup) and bought them with flighted, spine aligned graphite shafts.
These clubs were easier to hit then the 1irons, and the distance was much better too, but not as good as my Ping G2s.
The Pings are now back in the bag, and for me the single length experiment is over. |
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simpleswing
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Posted - December 11 2006 : 2:43:44 PM
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Hi Chazman,
Thanks for the report. I tried the concept a number of years ago (pre 1Irongolf) and I didn't find any particular advantages.
Actually the one length concept may be a bit less attractive to Symple Swingers because Symple Swing already gives them the increased consistency they previously would have been seeking with the one length shafts.
On the other hand I've heard nothing but good things about 1IronGolf as far as their company and customer service goes.
Joe Davidson
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Rake78
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Posted - January 11 2007 : 10:31:38 PM
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"Thanks for the report. I tried the concept a number of years ago (pre 1Irongolf) and I didn't find any particular advantages. "
Different strokes for different folks....But as a very happy owner of 1 Iron golf clubs, including the excellent new driver, I think company owner and designer David Lake would say whatever system you were using probably didn't adquately address shaft issues (the main reason those Tommy Armour EQLs were not widely popular).
I cannot help but notice Chazman saying he gave "single length irons" a month and a half, but this leaves a somewhat incomplete and possibly (unintentionally I am sure) misleading picture of his own, earlier, contemporaneous report of his experience with 1 Iron golf. According to what he was saying at the time at a single-axis golf forum, he gave David Lake's 1 Irons maybe a week in total before returning them. That probably was a mistake. Although some folks adjust very quickly to the new clubs, Lake strongly advises that most golfers give it more than the day or so Chazman said he did at the driving range before rushing out to the golf course. In short, he probably didn't spend enough time with the clubs.
Golf is *very* individualistic, so I don't doubt that Chazman (and surely others) hit shorter during the extremely brief time he tried them. And many people, including me, do wish Lake made them in graphite.
But for me, I've never hit longer through the set with any set of clubs. I'd never consider playing with anything else. The advantage of having just three swings (driver, wood, iron) instead of 13 has greatly simplified and improved my game.
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bikemotorman
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Posted - January 12 2007 : 2:25:05 PM
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How about going with, a quarter inch between each club, that is what Wishon told me to try.
He said it just might work for most golfers.
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mfalcon
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Posted - August 02 2007 : 10:30:56 AM
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I found this to be very interesting and true because my father used to caddy in the 20's and 30's and he said that all of the players irons were the same length in those days: http://www.1irongolf.com/index_files/page0010.htm
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doodad
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Posted - August 08 2007 : 10:05:29 AM
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Originally posted by mfalcon
I found this to be very interesting and true because my father used to caddy in the 20's and 30's and he said that all of the players irons were the same length in those days: http://www.1irongolf.com/index_files/page0010.htm
Matt
Unfortunately, it is NOT true that all the players used same length irons in that era. Lake is writing marketing blurbs, not accurate history. For example, the first picture shows a set of Gene Sarazen irons from that era (late 20's/early 30's). They clearly aren't the same length. Second is a complete bag from that time. Different lengths as you can see.
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Chazman
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Posted - August 12 2007 : 4:38:39 PM
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I cannot help but notice Chazman saying he gave "single length irons" a month and a half, but this leaves a somewhat incomplete and possibly (unintentionally I am sure) misleading picture of his own, earlier, contemporaneous report of his experience with 1 Iron golf. According to what he was saying at the time at a single-axis golf forum, he gave David Lake's 1 Irons maybe a week in total before returning them. That probably was a mistake. Although some folks adjust very quickly to the new clubs, Lake strongly advises that most golfers give it more than the day or so Chazman said he did at the driving range before rushing out to the golf course. In short, he probably didn't spend enough time with the clubs.
Try re-reading what I said, I stated that I gave the "Single Length" iron concept a one and a half, that was one month for the 1irons, and 2 weeks for the Purefits, not one week only for the 1irons.
The whole concept sounds good on paper, having the length of all the clubs the same an easy to hit 7 iron, problem is the touted results fly in the face of the laws of physics, a shorter lever cannot possibly produce equal or futher distance then a longer lever, given everything else (swing speed, contact) being equal.
The one size fits all concept is bogus also, the only modifications made from one golfer to another with 1irons is the length of the shaft, the loft, lie, shaft flex and grip size all remain the same, tell me, how can this possibly be optimal for a 21 years old flat belly and a 70 years old grandmother at the same time, it smacks of flim flam!
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mfalcon
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Posted - August 13 2007 : 3:11:02 PM
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Chazman:
You posted on the 1 Iron Golf forum your impressions of the 1 Irons on the same day that you received them. Then, less than one week later you posted that you had returned the 1 Irons for a refund. How does less than one week translate into one month? The entire thread has since been deleted by 1 Iron Golf because everyone on the forum was jumping down your throat and David Lake does'nt put up with that on their forum. Either way I know that hundreds of people read your posts and can verify what I'm saying.
As far as flim flam goes how do you explain that I've dropped over ten strokes off my game and hit the ball farther with every iron than I ever did in thirty years of playing golf after I switched to playing the 1 Irons? That's not just me saying that because I've read hundreds of posts on every differnt golf forum that states the same kind of improvement with the 1 Irons.
If single length clubs are'nt for you then just say so. There's no need to bash this company or any other. I'll bet you did'nt have any trouble getting your refund did you because I've never heard anything but great comments on their customer service?
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Edited by - mfalcon on August 13 2007 3:11:47 PM |
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