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Harvey
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 Posted - September 18 2008 : 08:07:43 AM
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The Simple Golf swing has a compact swing, does this affect power/distance of shots ?
For example ;
Average PGA tour player drive : 286 yards
Average scratch player drive : 260 yards
Average 10 handicap player : 220 yards
Average 20 handicap player : 190 yards
What would your average joe 10 handicap player do to his '220yard' drive ?
Also just out of interest what is your driving distance with the simple golf swing just to give us an idea of the potential ?
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mikeoleary
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Posted - September 20 2008 : 06:50:43 AM
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Harvey
good question/ I will address comments best I can btw if you have any questions later please call me 407 340 9420.
1- we do have a 'compact' swing in the sense we do not promote arm swing with hands getting high in backswing causing so much swing error/ we do how ever promote and prove that the big muscles in the upper torso when used with full turn, a coil and uncoiling
that produces more force when done with no weight shift (a strong force shift but not a weight transfer from back foot to front foot) promotes a dramatic increase in distance no matter what level golfer you are - and we have proved it with every level golfer ( think of a singles hitter in baseball who arms swings and shift weight thru hit to front foot then think of a home run hitter who pounds the ball as he keeps his weight under his back knee/ that is our swing exactly// so yes we do have significant distance gains from everyone.
2- avg distance depends on physical muscle power and coil and uncoiling- but everyone who does SPS correctly gets 25 to 50 yards in distance gains// I have given lessons to senior goflers who have went from 180 drives to 260 - I can give you phone numbers of many who are now hitting it so long - we have many on this forum who have posted the last couple of years ( idea maybe I should organize posts to show distance gains)/many clinics and lessons have in one day picked up 50 yards.
3- potential is what ever your back, shoulders, lats, traps, pecs, abs, etc your big muscles will allow your club head speed to increase to - I can tell you before SPS my clubhead speed with driver was 99 - 101// on camera in power tips dvd my speed was clocked at 108 to 113/ so at a 3 yard per 1 mile per hour of faster i have gained 36 yards with driver.
ps if you need any help once you try SPS if you can not get to any of my instructors around the country or to florida or conn. to see Joe or I we can do a skype video lesson on power.
look forward to your response
Mike O
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dorro1971
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Posted - September 20 2008 : 5:23:19 PM
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hi Harvey,
i regularly hit 280 i have hit 340 at times.
i used to hit 200 ish with a conventional swing.
i think the biggest advantage with ss is the fact that you are much more likely to hit the sweet spot on then club, have a square clubface, and a swing arc on the target line.....pretty much ticks all the boxes don't ya think??
regards,
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jclenden
USA
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Posted - September 20 2008 : 8:06:13 PM
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Harvey,
I probably play to a 10-12 handicap and I'd say that my carry distance is about 220, maybe 230. The roll depends entirely on course, so I couldn't really tell you my average total distance, but it's probably in the 240-250 range if I get any roll. SPS has not increased my driving distance much, but my accuracy is significantly better. My last two rounds I hit 13/14 and 12/14 fairways. I'll take those percentages any day!
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Harvey
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Posted - September 21 2008 : 04:14:20 AM
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Thank you for all the replies.
I've always believed that the reason for the pro's extra distance was:
1) Flexibility/Conditioning.
2) Equipment.
3) Swing Mechanics/Technique.
In the past, no matter how much I've tried to 'muscle' the ball off the tee, or make a long, extended backswing, with the aid of the latest and greatest driver on the market, the results have generally been the same...a sore back and a walk into the trees to try and find my ball !!
I can only congratulate those who have achieved the 250,260,280+ yard drives, and ask about swing thoughts or cues.
When hitting your driver, what cues/thoughts are you using to set yourself up for the extra distance, for example with my current swing, in the backswing I would coil until I could feel a great, twisting stretch, my wrist fully cock at the top of the backswing, and then on the downswing I'd imagine getting behind the ball and the feeling of trying to throw a ball with two hands down the fairway.
With the Simple Golf swing, there is an 'abbreviated' back swing and no weight shift ! Are you trying to drive through the ball with your front shoulder, the power thumb, make a significant shoulder turn or...?
Thank you again for all the feedback and the inspirational results with Simple Swing.
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flendog
USA
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Posted - September 21 2008 : 1:12:02 PM
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Harvey: I know that it is different for everyone, but I seem to get the best swing when I can feel my chest area ready to go forward. I think that indicates to me that I've turned enough. At times when I try to whip my left shoulder I pull the ball, probably because I get in a hurry and do not finish the backswing turn. I have picked up at least 20 yards, but the nice thing is when done correctly, I feel like I'm swinging easy.
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jclenden
USA
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Posted - September 22 2008 : 08:21:00 AM
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Harvey,
I know SS is an abbreviated backswing, but it hardly "feels" abbreviated if you turn your torso fully. Anyway, on the downswing I'm thinking only two things. KEEP THE LEAD ELBOW POINTED AT THE TARGET, and KEEP THE HANDS PASSIVE. My swing breaks down when I pull my lead elbow left of the target or when I try to engage my wrists to slap at the ball. Both of those moves feel more powerful but that's what causes me to hit high fades or powerful pulls. So, my only focus on the downswing is a smooth transition where I keep my left elbow pointing at the target and I keep my wrists relaxed. I've found that if I keep my left tricep resting on my left pectoral muscle that it helps me control my left elbow position and it keeps my arms/body in synch. It also ensures that I rotate my torso the proper way.
Good luck with your game!
Jeff
P.S. Since the weight begins on the trailing side, you don't shift weight on the backswing. But on the downswing you do press firmly into the leading leg. I wouldn't say that you really think about it - it just happens because the laws of physics demand you to push on something if you are going to twist your body, and the best thing to push against is a firm leading leg. In fact, the firmer the leg the harder you can push, thus the faster you can turn. |
Edited by - jclenden on September 22 2008 11:47:50 AM |
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mikeoleary
535 Posts |
Posted - September 25 2008 : 08:59:08 AM
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Harvey
as you can see/read our golfers really do benefit from both distance, accuracy, repeatability and golf being more easier and more fun.
bottom line is we eliminate weight SHIFT and club face rotation - big muscles in upper torso swing the club increasing club head speed with straight ball flight / same swing for every club, easy to self correct, also have best putting method ever.
take care and look forward to hearing of your progress
Mike O
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flendog
USA
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Posted - September 26 2008 : 10:30:21 AM
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Harvey: Another adjustment you will have to make is that you will also hit your irons 15-20 yards further. This can mess up your scoring at first. HMF
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mikeoleary
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Posted - September 29 2008 : 08:43:55 AM
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flendog
lol / you do not know how many times we have heard that statement/ after lesson I make student promise to let me know how next few rounds of golf are after lesson/ 100% tell us they hit the ball so much farther and straighter but score was off because "7 irons were going 165 instead of 145, wedges were going over the green with 'easy' swings etc/ lol
We tell everyone you are hitting the ball so much farther with less effort (the core provides more club head speed then hands swing club), so be prepared to hit 1 or 2 clubs less, but until you see it with your own eyes on your own course it does not register.
but it is a great problem to have " this used to be a 7 iron now with SPS it is a 9iron"/
same with driver = all clubs / trust the Power Triangle and enjoy the new power and distances.
thanks for good thread
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robb01
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Posted - March 02 2009 : 2:34:39 PM
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u guys hit it far
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flopper
Sweden
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Posted - March 04 2009 : 08:27:34 AM
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Distance is also how effective you are with the current swing.
I taught a pro golfer which I coach in his mental game, CG swing, to add 70 yards to his driver.300-330 yards is his distance nowdays.
He also added around 40 yards to his irons.
Most swing to slow.
The arms provide the speed, and if the arms with a turn is done properly, you be able to add speed in a short time.
Just look at Mike, he added speed in what, 15min?
making 30yards or so to distance.
Its not just the swing system, its ho well you perform the technically proper delivery to the ball and if that is done, distance will be there, no matter the swing system.
Its just some systems are more easier to play with than others.
I am working now to adjust my stance, to support what I am about to do, as my arms are fast enough its now just a matter to make it efficient and effective so that I can be consistent.
When I got how to swing, I added natural lag to the club head, as I am and was a hitter.
So, obviously, I need to adjust the way I swing based upon the difference in results.
Most wont go for it, as the technique they use, isnt good enough and then they slow down the delivery as they loose their posture if they go all out.
In time this means people will go slower to adjust to their technique allows them to do and what they become acoustmed to.
The solution is to go way faster, add the turn, add the swoosh, and make sure the stance is stable at delivery.
and then do that a lot to learn to adapt to a faster swing speed.
Then its also a lot to just use the mucsles you need, not the rest.
This is why my pro-golfer added 70 yards.
From 11hcp to tourpro level 2009?
Using the new improved mental game with a year under the belt practice |
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Harvey
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Posted - March 26 2009 : 05:16:23 AM
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I've been working on my Symple Swing for about 6 months now with great results.
Now hitting my drives straight down the middle with about a 230 yard carry. I was at the driving range and hit about 20 in a row...perfect !
Then I started playing around with the swing trying to find another 10 yards, the harder I tried to 'whack' at the ball, it would go about 20 yards less, then playing about with the amount of shoulder turn, height of the hands, but the end result was either less distance or the same. ( There is a 250yard marker at the end of the range just waiting to be hit !)
I've been doing the swoosh drill, and using a baseball bat with a golf grip doing super slow swings to reinforce all the check points of the symple swing. Is it just a case of more practice ? Is adding distance a gradual process or is there an Eureka moment ?
An interesting point one of my playing partners told me, 'The distance you hit your 9 iron, add 100yards and that will give you the carry of your driver'.
I hit my 9 iron 130 yards so it seems to make sense. |
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flopper
Sweden
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Posted - March 26 2009 : 08:14:53 AM
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Its not about harder, its about faster.
identify the markers when the swing is effortless.
And swing up to shoulder.
harder makes you contract muscles you don't need or want to do.
From 11hcp to tourpro level 2009?
Using the new improved mental game with a year under the belt practice |
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kfarkle
USA
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jclenden
USA
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Posted - March 27 2009 : 9:14:41 PM
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Harvey,
You asked whether adding distance is "a gradual process or is there an Eureka moment?" My experience is that adding distance (and the whole golf swing) is "a gradual process" sprinkled with "eureka moments". It's a gradual process because you need to perfect your technique, build strength to support a faster swing, and learn to swing consistently under all conditions (i.e. whether it is hot/cold, windy/calm, or you're feeling strong/tired). The "eureka" moments come when you finally "get" something you've been trying to learn, like the feel of a torso powered turn, or truly keeping your head still, or swinging on plane.
Great job on the improvement. The "swoosh" drill is great for that, but I wouldn't mess too much with the amount of shoulder turn. Just get your back to the target, and then swing that torso through on plane, without much head movement. That seems to be the formula for success.
Jeff
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mikeoleary
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Posted - March 28 2009 : 8:27:32 PM
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To all
great stuff/ kudos to Harvey for getting SS and to all for great input on increase distance/ by increase club head speed/ done with your core muscles uncoiling - if your core uncoil is maxed then that will be best distance/ i would have to see you to know what power is untapped/my best power or 'speed' swings is when totally relaxed and uncoil with little grip tension and club is pulled down the line / (been killing my driver lately with monster distance - i scared to post some of the best as i don't want to jinx it happening next round later this week lol!!
ok Harvey when you do whoosh drill do you hear whoosh? when you do practice swing with both hands do you hear whoosh?? when you hit the ball do you or your playing partners hear same whoosh? answers to those questions will let you know if you are hitting max distance/
great thread to all/ i love working with you guys keep it up / let me now how it goes this spring on the course and practice
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flendog
USA
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Posted - March 31 2009 : 11:31:35 AM
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One thing I have to remind myself at times is to keep whipping my front shoulder the whole way through. By that I mean at times I get lazy and once I get to the ball I relax and do not completely whip my left shoulder thru with as much speed as I began with. On short swings I feel better control with concentrating on turning my chest, but with drives for power I need to really whip the shoulders the whole way thru. HF
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Harvey
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Posted - April 06 2009 : 04:21:45 AM
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Great tips !
Took the ideas to the range, (even tried the animal tip ! lol) and realised that after a strong transition, I was tending to just 'coast' through to the finish, instead of accelerating right through to a high finish.
Another idea I've been working with is trying not to swing the grip but swing the club head ( if that makes sense ?) try to feel where the club head is during the swing and hit right into the back of the ball. Really feel like I'm starting to make solid contact. Again thanks for all the input.
Mike, how did the round go ? It's great motivation hearing about the possibilites with SPS. |
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mikeoleary
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Posted - April 07 2009 : 8:59:04 PM
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Harvey
sounds like it works for you/ most important establish correct top of bs and correct high finish insuring on plane swing with ball going straight/ once established then whoosh club head with front shoulder pull and you uncoil torso max club head speed is reached / with no grip tension
gave playing lesson today and hit the ball great/ get this in orlando today 59degree with 45 mph winds, unbelievable/ first time since ireland last year with conditions this tough/ only got in 16 holes, 37 on front with 6 pars, 2 bogeys, 1 bird- chip in on 9 // had 14 putts missed 2 makeable birdie chances - ball was actually moving on shots and putts lol/ back nine got thru 16 with 5 pars and 2 bogeys - too much fun// best of all been really concentrating on relax grip with good extension with front arm for lever power and ball is just laser off of club face with no grip tension.
wish could play more than once every couple of weeks but have been swamped with commercial production for tv with our putter.
anyway keep up great thread/ how is your distance and swing results??
look forward to next post
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Harvey
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Posted - April 13 2009 : 06:33:04 AM
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I've decided to take a more active approach at improving my driving distance.
Went down the golf shop and got a swing radar, ( told the wife I needed a new glove ! ), so hopefully this will allow me to more accurately monitor, swing speed and distance. Going to be doing my whoosh drill, add in core training and see what happens.
Right now I'm hitting about 98mph, my goal is for about a 260 yard drive.
Played on Sunday, hit an 83 with 12/14 fairways with 29putts ( good old symple putter !! ) Should probably spend more time on my approach shots, getting it close to the pin. The long drive is more of an ego thing I guess , but it sure is fun hitting drives straight down the middle. |
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Driving distances with Simple Golf
Posted - March 27 2009 : 4:45:15 PM
