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| otis |
Posted - October 03 2005 : 07:36:23 AM
Mike, Joe, and fellow Simpleswingers
I received the material last week and I just want to say thanks for developing a system that has added one of the many things my game has needed for years.....consistency. In less than a week I've dropped 5 strokes off my usual mid 90's game. I'm confident that with time and practice I can drop another 5+ strokes easily. I'll be in Florida next spring Mike and hopefully I can make an appointment to get some one on one instruction.
In the spirit of adding consistency, I'd appreciate any insight on David Lakes 1 Iron Golf (website is 1irongolf.com). Has anyone heard of it? Their theory is basically that one can improve their game through the use of clubs that are all the same length and weight. Their customers admit it's a little awkward at first but given a little time, they seem to be very pleased with the results. So I'm wondering what would happen if you combine SS with 1 iron golf clubs.....could it be a marriage made in heaven or one with potential disastrous results?
Thanks again for the great system and I'd appreciate any comments.
Regards........Otis Ledbetter |
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| barberx |
Posted - November 24 2007 : 10:24:21 AM
info only as I just ordered simple swing, Simmons " Tiger shark " use to tout his clubs had increments of 1/4". However the set I have " hammerheads " have normal 1/2" spacing.
Richard |
| mfalcon |
Posted - November 23 2007 : 10:35:26 PM
You have to remember that Tom Wishon sells standard clubheads that require incremental club lengths so he is definitely not going to recommend single length clubheads. By doing so he would be admitting that his clubhead designs are wrong. The same is true with Ralph Maltby and all of the others.
I've been playing with the 1 Irons from www.1irongolf.com for the past two years and my scores drop every month. I'm in the single digit handicap club now and I could'nt have done it without my 1 Irons.
Matt |
| bogemstr |
Posted - September 05 2007 : 05:35:38 AM
I just asked Tom Wishon about single length irons and he provided me with a detailed reply. Like someone else posted here he suggested a 1/4 inch between clubs as an option since it will give the player a slightly different feel on each club and will allow regulation heads with differing weights to be used. Single length iron heads all have the same weight. Seems like a good suggestion. |
| Chazman |
Posted - August 19 2007 : 03:56:27 AM
quote:
You posted on the 1 Iron Golf forum your impressions of the 1 Irons on the same day that you received them. Then, less than one week later you posted that you had returned the 1 Irons for a refund.
I had the clubs almost a month before I sent them back, and that is a fact!
As far as pitching the clubs as one size optimally fits all, that is flim flam, sorry, but that is absolutely true, no matter how much you like the clubs! |
| simpleswing |
Posted - August 13 2007 : 4:22:10 PM
Hey Guys,
Please feel free to talk about any golf products but let's keep it civil.
While I don't agree with the 1Iron single length shaft concept (I did check out that theory about 25 years ago) I have heard nothing but good things about 1Iron's customer service and return policy so I would definitely not put them in the flim flam category at all.
Joe Davidson
Simple Golf |
| mfalcon |
Posted - August 13 2007 : 3:11:02 PM
Chazman:
You posted on the 1 Iron Golf forum your impressions of the 1 Irons on the same day that you received them. Then, less than one week later you posted that you had returned the 1 Irons for a refund. How does less than one week translate into one month? The entire thread has since been deleted by 1 Iron Golf because everyone on the forum was jumping down your throat and David Lake does'nt put up with that on their forum. Either way I know that hundreds of people read your posts and can verify what I'm saying.
As far as flim flam goes how do you explain that I've dropped over ten strokes off my game and hit the ball farther with every iron than I ever did in thirty years of playing golf after I switched to playing the 1 Irons? That's not just me saying that because I've read hundreds of posts on every differnt golf forum that states the same kind of improvement with the 1 Irons.
If single length clubs are'nt for you then just say so. There's no need to bash this company or any other. I'll bet you did'nt have any trouble getting your refund did you because I've never heard anything but great comments on their customer service?
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| Chazman |
Posted - August 12 2007 : 4:38:39 PM
quote:
I cannot help but notice Chazman saying he gave "single length irons" a month and a half, but this leaves a somewhat incomplete and possibly (unintentionally I am sure) misleading picture of his own, earlier, contemporaneous report of his experience with 1 Iron golf. According to what he was saying at the time at a single-axis golf forum, he gave David Lake's 1 Irons maybe a week in total before returning them. That probably was a mistake. Although some folks adjust very quickly to the new clubs, Lake strongly advises that most golfers give it more than the day or so Chazman said he did at the driving range before rushing out to the golf course. In short, he probably didn't spend enough time with the clubs.
Try re-reading what I said, I stated that I gave the "Single Length" iron concept a one and a half, that was one month for the 1irons, and 2 weeks for the Purefits, not one week only for the 1irons.
The whole concept sounds good on paper, having the length of all the clubs the same an easy to hit 7 iron, problem is the touted results fly in the face of the laws of physics, a shorter lever cannot possibly produce equal or futher distance then a longer lever, given everything else (swing speed, contact) being equal.
The one size fits all concept is bogus also, the only modifications made from one golfer to another with 1irons is the length of the shaft, the loft, lie, shaft flex and grip size all remain the same, tell me, how can this possibly be optimal for a 21 years old flat belly and a 70 years old grandmother at the same time, it smacks of flim flam!
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| doodad |
Posted - August 08 2007 : 10:05:29 AM
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Originally posted by mfalcon
I found this to be very interesting and true because my father used to caddy in the 20's and 30's and he said that all of the players irons were the same length in those days: http://www.1irongolf.com/index_files/page0010.htm
Matt
Unfortunately, it is NOT true that all the players used same length irons in that era. Lake is writing marketing blurbs, not accurate history. For example, the first picture shows a set of Gene Sarazen irons from that era (late 20's/early 30's). They clearly aren't the same length. Second is a complete bag from that time. Different lengths as you can see.
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| mfalcon |
Posted - August 02 2007 : 10:30:56 AM
I found this to be very interesting and true because my father used to caddy in the 20's and 30's and he said that all of the players irons were the same length in those days: http://www.1irongolf.com/index_files/page0010.htm
Matt |
| bikemotorman |
Posted - January 12 2007 : 2:25:05 PM
How about going with, a quarter inch between each club, that is what Wishon told me to try.
He said it just might work for most golfers.
Stuart Brandt |
| Rake78 |
Posted - January 11 2007 : 10:31:38 PM
"Thanks for the report. I tried the concept a number of years ago (pre 1Irongolf) and I didn't find any particular advantages. "
Different strokes for different folks....But as a very happy owner of 1 Iron golf clubs, including the excellent new driver, I think company owner and designer David Lake would say whatever system you were using probably didn't adquately address shaft issues (the main reason those Tommy Armour EQLs were not widely popular).
I cannot help but notice Chazman saying he gave "single length irons" a month and a half, but this leaves a somewhat incomplete and possibly (unintentionally I am sure) misleading picture of his own, earlier, contemporaneous report of his experience with 1 Iron golf. According to what he was saying at the time at a single-axis golf forum, he gave David Lake's 1 Irons maybe a week in total before returning them. That probably was a mistake. Although some folks adjust very quickly to the new clubs, Lake strongly advises that most golfers give it more than the day or so Chazman said he did at the driving range before rushing out to the golf course. In short, he probably didn't spend enough time with the clubs.
Golf is *very* individualistic, so I don't doubt that Chazman (and surely others) hit shorter during the extremely brief time he tried them. And many people, including me, do wish Lake made them in graphite.
But for me, I've never hit longer through the set with any set of clubs. I'd never consider playing with anything else. The advantage of having just three swings (driver, wood, iron) instead of 13 has greatly simplified and improved my game.
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| simpleswing |
Posted - December 11 2006 : 2:43:44 PM
Hi Chazman,
Thanks for the report. I tried the concept a number of years ago (pre 1Irongolf) and I didn't find any particular advantages.
Actually the one length concept may be a bit less attractive to Symple Swingers because Symple Swing already gives them the increased consistency they previously would have been seeking with the one length shafts.
On the other hand I've heard nothing but good things about 1IronGolf as far as their company and customer service goes.
Joe Davidson
Simple Golf |
| Chazman |
Posted - December 10 2006 : 02:43:21 AM
I gave the single length irons a shot for almost a month and a half, trying out the 1irons, and later the Purefit SLs.
The 1irons only come in steel shafts, with no choice to choose, flex or grips, the only choice given is shaft length.
I found these clubs to be too stiff, too heavy feeling, and extremely short with the long irons.
Had no problem hitting them well, just didn't like the short distance.
Next I tried the Purefits (which give multiple choices on how to be setup) and bought them with flighted, spine aligned graphite shafts.
These clubs were easier to hit then the 1irons, and the distance was much better too, but not as good as my Ping G2s.
The Pings are now back in the bag, and for me the single length experiment is over. |
| Chazman |
Posted - September 27 2006 : 1:17:50 PM
There have been rave reviews about these clubs on several forums, the price for the clubs is a little pricey, but there are alternatives on the market today.
MyOstrichgolf.com now offers a single length set of irons for about $200. less the 1iron golf. These club all have the constant clubhead weight and shaft lengths that the 1irons do, but they also have weight porting it the heads, and have the option for "flighted" graphite shafts, which 1iron doesn't have.
For Mike OLeary's edification, the added weight of long iron heads in these sets (3 iron would have the same clubhead weight as a 7 iron) adds mass to the impact equation of the clubheads, and more then makes up for the loss of clubhead speed from a shorter shaft.
The advantages (at least on paper) of having the entire set of irons being swung the same as a 7 iron sounds very desireable.
I will be ordering a set of these and will report back on how they work with the Symple Swing.
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| mfalcon |
Posted - December 26 2005 : 6:46:00 PM
From posts on other forums, 1 Iron Golf's irons have earned the highest category ranking awarded by GolfWorks based upon total Maltby Playability Factor points: Ultra Game Improvement. They have a comparison ranking on 1 Iron's website http://www.1irongolf.com/index_files/page0004.htm
Matt |
| n/a |
Posted - October 31 2005 : 8:35:46 PM
HI,
the irons are made of 431 SS, and the website is in the works Should be up Soon, things are taking a bit longer then they should, I hope to have the Website up by November 10th if you have any other questions feel Free to Call Me 1 434 799 0034.
David does make a great product, But his price is very High, 17/4 Stainless heads are very good, But most Pro line irons are 431,I think Ping uses 17/4 Stainless for the iron heads, he must of had to make at least 300 sets of irons to get a price break, just figure the heads cost about 6.00 per and the shafts maybe 5.00 per and the Grips at most 2.00 per, you do the math the guy is making a nice profit, and thats great, I am a litte mouse I need a lot less Cheese, my profit is tiny compared to his and thats ok too, he has I guess invested 13 grand just for the iron heads, I hope he does great, mine will be only 299.00 per set, I hope they will try mine too, if a golfer cant
hit my clubs he or She needs to take up Polo, I will also have full money back in 30 days.
Please remember this game is 85 percent mental, the rest is technique.
Stuart Brandt |
| mfalcon |
Posted - October 31 2005 : 11:48:01 AM
Stuart,
I agree with what David Lake posted in FGI because I can personally attest to the quality: http://www.freegolfinfo.com/forums/tm.asp?m=1539575
What steel are your irons made from? When will you start selling your clubs and what is the website?
Matt |
| n/a |
Posted - October 28 2005 : 2:44:12 PM
Hi glad to here you are doing well with Davids Irons, Mine will be half the price, 299.00 instead of 599.00.
Stuart Brandt |
| mfalcon |
Posted - October 28 2005 : 12:54:18 AM
I also play David Lake's 1 Irons and am in the process of switching swings from NG to SS. The 1 Irons dropped 10 strokes off my game over the past year and I'm hoping that SS will help me drop even more. I have a consistent 10 yard gap between all of my irons and hit them all about three yards farther than my previous set.
Matt |
| n/a |
Posted - October 26 2005 : 4:54:03 PM
Hi fellas,
I will be selling 1SWINGIRONS very soon, my website should be up next week, the clubs will not be for all golfers, but the 299.00 for the 3-pw and sw, price tag will not scare the hell out of you,like some other vendors may,
my buddy is a 2 handicap and he loves the idea, he told me he hits the three iron, a couple of yards shorter but he is more accurate, I might use reverse taper grips to help the slicers,
I think these clubs will help the 15 and beyond handicappers.
I am pretty sure these clubs will help most golfers, so I will do a focus group to see how they work out, I live in VA so we play golf all year, remember this concept is not for everyone, but I think it will help at least 30 percent of players.
Stuart Brandt |
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